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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "punishments" 1 2 punishments (18) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 2 Jul 09, 9:51 PM 793-044-967 DE, 3 yrs The punishment of misbehaviour of 793-044-967 is a decision of its owner. And only of its owner. 793-044-967 is only allowed to beg for punishment in case of misbehaviour. The punishment is subject to the misbehaviour, but there is no easy rule for punishments. Generally the less severe the misbehaviour the less hard the punishment. The slave contract states that 793-044-967 is the property of its owner; thus every punishment is appropriate as long as the owner says it is. 3 Jul 09, 10:15 PM M_o_r_g US, 4 yrs 648-939-998 wrote: punishments when breaking rules what should the punishment be ?is it the same for minor and serious ones?im a slave. I must ask why you ask. according to your profile you are unowned, but registered as a submissive. While I think more serious violations of the rules set deserve more serious punishments, that is MY way. The punishment and the way in which it is given is up to the Master. A submissive has no say in that, they are to accept what is given no questions unless the Master asks them to choose the punishment. On occasion I do this and am surprised at my slaves choice sometimes. My slave is for the most part one of the most obedient slaves ever. She almost always chooses a more severe punishment than I had chose. Then I ask which if she had a choice would she want. Either way I split the difference most of the time if her choice was more severe. If not I add to mine the split difference. Example if I choose 10 lashes with the cane and she picks 15, then I normally give 12 or 13. If I choose 10 lashes and she picks 3, then I give 14 or 15. I reserve the cane since it is so harsh for punishment, the amount of lashes depends on what she has done or failed to do. The BOTTOM "no pun intended" LINE is "THE PUNISHMENT IS UP TO THE MASTER TOTALLY". The Gorean master desires more than a slave's submission, more than merely her body. A Gorean man is satisfied with nothing less than all of a slave. He will possess you, body and mind, heart and soul. Nothing less is acceptable. 3 Jul 09, 11:15 PM 483-608-929 US(OH), 4 yrs 648-939-998 wrote: punishments when breaking rules what should the punishment be ?is it the same for minor and serious ones?im a slave. hello slave you really need to talk to your Master/Mistress about this. All have different requirements and expectations and They are the Ones to decide. When taken as One's slave, it's best to know these things ahead of time to know what to expect. you may get into something that you really didn't want. take care Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 6 Jul 09, 9:05 AM 170-687-343 UK, 3 yrs When I was under a Mistress the minimum punishment was a spanking, but more often it was 6-12 strokes of the cane. 6 Jul 09, 9:07 AM 170-687-343 UK, 3 yrs When I was under a Mistress the minimum punishment was a spanking, but more often it was 6-12 strokes of the cane. 6 Jul 09, 3:04 PM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs M_Shea wrote: Undercover_perv wrote: 648-939-998 wrote: when is a whipping,caning or flogging justified?and how many? It is justified when the D/O/M says its justified, and how many comes to a number of different factors, pain threshold, severity of stroke, timing between stroke, and how angry the D/O/M is Alright. It hasn't been said in this thread yet, and that --^ told me it was time to reiterate this point. Punishment should -never- be carried out while the D/O/M is angry. There is far too much chance for things to get out of hand, real damage be done, etc. Be safe, ppl =) -Shea I do and have always disagreed with this so called 'rule' that a dominant must never punish when they are in an angry mood. I have read it in all the bdsm textbooks and heard it three million times and I still don't see why it is true. It is ridiculous to assume that when one feels a sense of anger one automatically acts 'angrily' or in an out of control or dangerous way. It suggests that we have no sense of self control and that because we are angry we will act like animals or crazy people. Anger is a perfectly acceptable emotion to feel in a sane human being but does not preclude us from behaving calmly and rationally. It is the ability to control oneself which is important. It is the ability to manage ones anger which is crucial, not just saying effectively, I am so prone to being out of control, I cannot punish my disobedient sub/slave for fear I will truly beat him up. That is allowing one's feelings to control you. To run from them rather than manage them. Thoughts and feelings are one thing, our physical actions are quite another. There is an important difference. Edited 6 Jul 09, 9:08 PM by Ms_Valentine 7 Jul 09, 12:47 PM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs Sklavos_mou_Kyriah wrote: Good point Shea Physical punishment administered in anger could well prove harmful. That is why it is a good idea to have set between D/O/M and slave a protocol where disipline/punishment is carried out in some sort of ritual. That way the D/O/M is acting "in cold blood". I am usually punished by the "Chapter of Faults", a system borrowed from the Bededictine monks. Find out more here:- http://www.seekdiscipline.com/posts/178498/1/#14... From my own experience, being put through this sort of ritual, kneeling before a not angry Lady Mistress makes me feel most wretched. Not something I care to repeat too often. For minor faults like say, not getting My Lady's coffee ready on time I may be told to kneel on my cushion and stay there until told to move. It helps to remind me what I am. Hope this helps the OP a bit. (edited to correct typo) As I said in a previous post, I disagree that being punished whilst the dominant is angry or upset is in any way harmful. It is only harmful if the dominant cannot control their feelings of anger and punishes the sub/slave in a different, harsher, cruel way which borders upon abuse. I am perfectly capable of punishing p very calmly even if what he has done has annoyed me. I will be honest nothing p could do would make me angry as that is a very big negative emotion. I might feel annoyed, disappointed, frustrated with him but not angry at him. If he genuinely made me feel angry, I might consider he was not the right man to share my life. The point I was getting too and this in no way is a criticism of the way you and your Mistress do things, is that I find 'punishing in cold blood' far more unpalatable than punishing quickly at the point of the offence taking place. Punishing in cold blood says 'revenge' to me, it does not speak of a chastisement to swiftly correct forgetfulness or lack of attention. I always punish as soon after the offence as possible. I punish even when my mood is disappointed and frustrated with p and he knows that he is seeing and hearing me at my most displeased. That hurts him too but doe snot over punish as would making him wait and fret over his mistakes. I cane him quickly with no ritual or ceremony. I don't find I have the need for that side of things. I like the offence to be corrected quickly and with as little break in the normal routine I had planned as possible. His misbehaviour should not impinge upon me more than is absolutely necessary. I don't want a ceremony made out of what are his errors. That in my mind gives it and his errors more time, energy and recognition than they deserve. He slips up and he is punished immediately and then we move on, albeit with him suffering a few deep red stripes across his backside. I always ask him to explain before I commence punishment in case there is some factor I am unaware of. This means I never punish without reason or justification. I should add this approach will not work well with those who act up just to get punishment. P never does this, being almost completely obedient, all of the time. Those who act up, apart from not being submissive and trying to top from the bottom, need to be ignored until they behave, treated like the silly little children they are acting like. I am aware I am most probably unusual in my approach which is in almost all things D/s is lacking in ritual and ceremony where possible. It is just how I am but seems to work for p and I. It is an alternative (which is proven to work) to the other more structured high protocol way of doing things. Paul feel very well and truly punished if I do have to deal with him but it is over quickly and he knows he is back in my good books and able to function happily as my submissive once more without feeling under a cloud until I get around to punishing him. 9 Jul 09, 12:55 AM Sklavos_mou_Kyriah 3 yrs Point taken, Ms Valentine. Yours is a very valid argument. I think really it comes down to whatever works best for a particular M/s D/s couple. The way I am dealt with seems to be quite effective, - on me. It may not work on everyone and as you say some may end up operating under the proverbial cloud. If this has done nothing else, the thread has highlighted the variety of ways in which a miscreant slave can be dealt with. To be a true slave is to be truly free Sklavos