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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "The Role of Recreational Drugs" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 The Role of Recreational Drugs (79) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 15 Feb 10, 9:38 PM mamabear NL, 2 yrs I'm in a country where weed is legal, even sold in coffee shops in Amsterdam...so I'm told. Neither Master nor I indulge, only the occassional glass of wine. I do have back issues and have relaxants and pain killers for it, but if my back is bothering me that much then more than likely Wwe're a bit more in cuddle mode and less play for those days. 16 Feb 10, 11:13 AM NippleRings UK, 2 yrs The question as to so cord recreational drugs, it much like versus Government policies from around the world. They are ether for it, or against it; with little in-between! But as far as I am concerned, there is none as blind as a user. (No matter what the drug!) Most of all users will defend there use as they would defend there survival in life itself. Most users will know moor about the effects, and side affects than all of the worlds Scientist put together. And after reading all of the information available, they will still try there damdest to defend there recreational use. So why is it people are drown into turning them self's into mental state that puts them into coco land? Answer: “I like it. It doesn't do any one any harm! The Doctors are just saying that. Man has free will, he can choose to take it or leave it” I have hard many such answers form users in my life time. I have a family member that is a user of the weed in question. And a few of the things that I have found are: If you are not into using the stuff, it gets right up your nose; it's ante social. The user will invite all of there drop out friends home to eat the contents of freezer; and then level there eight dinner plates all over there bedroom if not the rest of the house. (And then hew gets to pay for the food? That has been gutted) A big side effect is Paranoia. (They get a, couldn't chair less attitude) And contrary to belief. As a mind distorting drug, it dose affect the ability of driving, a car, truck; and the ability to use machinery. (Not only putting there life's at risk, but moor importantly others to. The biggest percentage of pot users, are never satisfied with an occasional joint. They will nearly always move onto stronger substances. It destroys families. (It has destroyed my family) It turn some schizophrenics. Moor often than not the users turn to crime to feed their habits. (And like an Alcoholic; Have you met a user that hasn't said that they could leave it if they wanted to; They just don't want to!) My relation said that he spent around £1,000 a month on his habit. And for someone that eventually been kicked out form every job he has ever had He haven't got that sort of money for Government hand outs! As in all proscribed drugs. Every one is different. And different drugs have different side effects on that person. That's why some people simply die from trying a drug from the fist time! There was a UK University that done a study on the use of Ecstasy. They study found that prolonged use of it dissolved the nerve endings to the brain. The study also showed that if the subject stopped taking the substance that the nerve endings would eventually grow back. But what the study can't say for 20 to 30 years is weather they grow back as they wore originally; or will we have a society of nut cases in time to come? I could go on for a long time with my findings with drug abuse. But let's face it. Drug users don't want to listen. 16 Feb 10, 5:52 PM Fruity 2 yrs lol yeah fantastic arguement there! :S 12 May 10, 11:26 PM softline US(CA), 2 yrs It seams that this thread has gotten really of topic. I am going to start a new thread and try to get things back on topic. Good arguments here, but just not what the thread was originally about. 14 May 10, 7:43 AM Feanaur US(VA), 5 yrs Y! thegildedlili wrote: MasterRevolver wrote: Marijuana is not harmful for you. It does not impair your driving, your basic decision making skills, or make you aggressive. It makes you feel good, makes you hungry, and makes you lazy. You can feel free to prove me wrong. The only reason marijuana gets such negative press is from public ignorance and the shockwave of William Randolf Hearst's hemp smear campaign to keep making ridiculous money and clear-cut forests. Look it up, this is not hippie propaganda. wrong, wrong and wrong, it does all of these things that you state it doesn't, and this is backed up by science. to suggest it doesn't is just plain ignorant. and on top of that, you are clearly not up to date with current research which links marijuana use to schitzophrenia (if a predisposition exists) and the link between marijuana and impaired brain devlopment in adolescents who smoke it. i personally have seen friends, who have smoked dope for a sustained period, go from functioning perfectly normally to having schitzophrenia and unable to hold down jobs, relationships etc, yet you say it is not harmful! You seem to have tricked the answers here to suit your own needs. The implications are thus. You claim that science has proved absolutely that Marijuana does each of these three things, and you say it in such a way that would lead one to see the loopholes. Yes, in young adolescence and growing minds, Marijuana can dampen development. But that is in GROWING MINDS, not in adult minds (adult as in out of developmental stages). As for your second claim. You do mention that it can invoke schizophrenia, but under predisposed means. In other words, one would have to already have schizophrenia, or another dementia for it to do this. Of course weed will make anyone have sort of an 'inner voice' complex, but that is minor and lasts for maybe an hour after smoking. Keep in mind that that is why humans take drugs in the first place...to bring about a new mindset. Alcohol, weed, lsd, even meth, these things are used, whether gracefully, idiotically, or otherwise, to change their mindsets. Also, as for your friends, you must think about how they were before, or what made their lives like this. I am not saying that it was a good choice for them, I am simply saying that it is not that way for the majority of people. Look at a few prominent people who smoke weed here. Robin Williams, Kat Williams, Bill Hicks, Willie Nelson. It is known for a fact that Karl Sagan smoked weed very often...he was an astronomer for mary's sake. Many writers, such as Kurt Vonnegut, and Charles Bukowski, have smoked. On a final note... lets look at how subjective 'harmful' is. So, they ended a relationship? Okay, maybe they realized that they didn't want to be in a relationship with a bleeding cunt anyway. And about being lazy? Perhaps it does make one a bit relaxed, but again that is depending on who smokes it. All these things are subjective to the user themselves. And as far as harmful goes, what is good for you may not be considered to be good to another. Look at the site we are on. The Christian Right would absolutely flip their shit on us. "Don't you know the devil is in your soul, boy?" They would say. I am glad you have an opinion, and I am not being hostile, despite my words. I am just pointing out an opposing proposition for you to chew over. By the way, caffeine, sugars, nicotine, niacine , and taurine are all considered drugs. *Wink* Slavery begins with the mind! 16 May 10, 8:19 AM thegildedlili 3 yrs Feanaur wrote: thegildedlili wrote: MasterRevolver wrote: Marijuana is not harmful for you. It does not impair your driving, your basic decision making skills, or make you aggressive. It makes you feel good, makes you hungry, and makes you lazy. You can feel free to prove me wrong. The only reason marijuana gets such negative press is from public ignorance and the shockwave of William Randolf Hearst's hemp smear campaign to keep making ridiculous money and clear-cut forests. Look it up, this is not hippie propaganda. wrong, wrong and wrong, it does all of these things that you state it doesn't, and this is backed up by science. to suggest it doesn't is just plain ignorant. and on top of that, you are clearly not up to date with current research which links marijuana use to schitzophrenia (if a predisposition exists) and the link between marijuana and impaired brain devlopment in adolescents who smoke it. i personally have seen friends, who have smoked dope for a sustained period, go from functioning perfectly normally to having schitzophrenia and unable to hold down jobs, relationships etc, yet you say it is not harmful! Feanaur wrote: You seem to have tricked the answers here to suit your own needs. The implications are thus. You claim that science has proved absolutely that Marijuana does each of these three things, and you say it in such a way that would lead one to see the loopholes. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. "Tricked" the answers? Feanaur wrote: Yes, in young adolescence and growing minds, Marijuana can dampen development. But that is in GROWING MINDS, not in adult minds (adult as in out of developmental stages). Yes, that's what I said. Feanaur wrote: As for your second claim. You do mention that it can invoke schizophrenia, but under predisposed means. In other words, one would have to already have schizophrenia, or another dementia for it to do this. No, that isn't correct, I said predisposed to Schizophrenia, not pre-existing. Feanaur wrote: Of course weed will make anyone have sort of an 'inner voice' complex, but that is minor and lasts for maybe an hour after smoking. Keep in mind that that is why humans take drugs in the first place...to bring about a new mindset. Alcohol, weed, lsd, even meth, these things are used, whether gracefully, idiotically, or otherwise, to change their mindsets. This doesn't make it safe. Feanaur wrote: Also, as for your friends, you must think about how they were before, or what made their lives like this. I am not saying that it was a good choice for them, I am simply saying that it is not that way for the majority of people. Look at a few prominent people who smoke weed here. Robin Williams, Kat Williams, Bill Hicks, Willie Nelson. It is known for a fact that Karl Sagan smoked weed very often...he was an astronomer for mary's sake. Many writers, such as Kurt Vonnegut, and Charles Bukowski, have smoked. Robin Williams for one has mental health issues, so he is not a good example on the pros of smoking weed. Furthermore, just because some people can smoke it without ill effects doesn't make it harmless per se. I am not arguing that weed doesn't assist with creativity, I am specifically talking about the health implications of using it. Feanaur wrote: By the way, caffeine, sugars, nicotine, niacine , and taurine are all considered drugs. *Wink* I agree, and they have their own pros and cons, but in this thread we are discussing Marijuana. i have no need, for such things, but to make you happy... Josh Pyke 18 May 10, 2:08 AM BigCoolViking_Master UK, 3 yrs Y! Yea I am with you on this I have a dabble now and again with my partner bit of whiz or coke not every weekend even when we are really kicking the ass out of it a bit... Its weird folk talk about the legality etc etc. I say who gives a shit about that, thats part of the buzz being a bad boy or girl. Moderation in all things I say, and some folk me included dont really like booze too much it makes you piss all night instead of have good sex and if you overdo it you will get heartburn and the 'runs' ewwww and a sore head the next day sexy naw I dont think so.I think I might have a small pollen spliff before bed... goodnight! x 8 Jun 10, 11:17 PM MasterRevolver US(CA), 4 yrs OP here. I haven't been on this board in a very long time, and last I read this thread (which I assumed was long since dead) there was nothing but negative folks, repeating anti-marijuana propaganda and wives' tales with zero actual research to back it up. I'm thankful for everyone's input, aside from the petty squabbles about (from what I glanced at) forum signatures. It's nice to see a lot of people supporting the careful use of marijuana, even if some people are still afraid by it's "drug" label. And seriously LOLed at some of these negative medical claims. You guys are too much. 8 Jun 10, 11:23 PM thegildedlili 3 yrs MasterRevolver wrote: <SNIP> repeating anti-marijuana propaganda and wives' tales with zero actual research to back it up. <SNIP> You wish! At least be honest enough to admit you choose the ignore the copious amounts of rigorous research that is out there instead of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "drugs are great, nobody can tell me they're not". It only makes me wonder why you posed the question in the first place, should we have all just gone along with you and agreed with you to make you feel better? i have no need, for such things, but to make you happy... Josh Pyke Edited 8 Jun 10, 11:27 PM by thegildedlili