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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "The Role of Recreational Drugs" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 The Role of Recreational Drugs (79) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 26 Jun 09, 10:10 PM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs 000-874-172 wrote: ..and as such, in taking all this responsibility, it seems you've become incredibly tense and uptight. Actually quite the opposite 000-874-172 wrote: Like I said - in clarity of my previous post, and am being shot at again, so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us No shot at you was intended. I was building on your quote to point out that an owner almost NEVER has a decision that isn't imposed on others. 000-874-172 wrote: (just for you Selah), Actually, Selah is a closing,leave-taking word/blessing, like Sincerely or Regards. I am called Odin here. Selah. There is no authority, only responsibility. 27 Jun 09, 10:15 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Master_Odin wrote: 000-874-172 wrote: ..and as such, in taking all this responsibility, it seems you've become incredibly tense and uptight. Actually quite the opposite Ya strung out from the drug-smokin' then? Master_Odin wrote: 000-874-172 wrote: Like I said - in clarity of my previous post, and am being shot at again, so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us No shot at you was intended. I was building on your quote to point out that an owner almost NEVER has a decision that isn't imposed on others. I get ya, but I wasn't looking at it from the ownerific position, I was looking at a generalised angle, directed at a previous post is all. No big deal. Master_Odin wrote: 000-874-172 wrote: (just for you Selah), Actually, Selah is a closing,leave-taking word/blessing, like Sincerely or Regards. I am called Odin here. ...*is stood duelly (sp.?) corrected* (lol) Enjoy ya day, Sean. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~ 27 Jun 09, 9:17 PM Whipper UK, 3 yrs MasterRevolver wrote: I guess I should have assumed I'd get such hostile responses from this question (This doesn't apply to all posts). But I hoped of all people, this board would be understanding of an alt lifestyle, but instead I'm getting "drugs are bad because drugs are bad". Marijuana is not harmful for you. It does not impair your driving, your basic decision making skills, or make you aggressive. It makes you feel good, makes you hungry, and makes you lazy. You can feel free to prove me wrong. The only reason marijuana gets such negative press is from public ignorance and the shockwave of William Randolf Hearst's hemp smear campaign to keep making ridiculous money and clear-cut forests. Look it up, this is not hippie propaganda. I hope that you can look beyond the cultural taboo and understand that used in moderation, certain substances can add a new flavor to some peoples' lives. Having a new mindset for a few hours isn't something to be afraid of, but it's absolutely something to do in MODERATION. You don't get drunk and do asphyxia play, you don't do three lines of coke and get the ropes out. But getting a little stoned and sharing that sort of experience with My pet is a very fun and safe vacation from normalcy. I apologize if I offended anyone, but this is a very special part of My and My pets life. I encourage you to share personal stories and experiences instead of using this as a thread to rub my nose in what is advertised as "evil activity". People have said the same thing about bdsm/s&m, and every one of us knows it. Drugs (booze included) have no place in BDSM play at all. This is not because drugs are bad/illegal or whatever. Drugs are bad in BDSM because they alter perception and reduce inhibitions and awareness of surroundings. Anything that interferes with a dominant's perceptions and inhibitions, alters depth perception or timing when playing with a submissive puts the submissive at risk of injury. If you want to drink/do drugs - do so without playing while intoxicated (just as you would not operate a motor vehicle while under the influence). 27 Jun 09, 11:52 PM Drummer_Dom US(IN), 4 yrs Y! MasterRevolver wrote: Marijuana is not harmful for you. It does not impair your driving, your basic decision making skills, or make you aggressive. It makes you feel good, makes you hungry, and makes you lazy. You can feel free to prove me wrong. The only reason marijuana gets such negative press is from public ignorance and the shockwave of William Randolf Hearst's hemp smear campaign to keep making ridiculous money and clear-cut forests. Look it up, this is not hippie propaganda. I disagree quite strongly. My best friend as a child growing up started smoking weed at the age of fourteen. As children we were typical- imagining and playing and full of energy. Now I'm 26 and he's 25, and when I see him anymore, it's almost painful. He's slow and honestly, somewhat stupid. He has a habit of losing focus and just staring off into space. He has no aspirations and all the life is gone from him. I've seen first hand what extended (and yes, extensive) drug use has done to him. He didn't practice moderation. Maybe you do, and maybe not everyone winds up like him. But weed has singlehandedly (he doesn't drink or do any other drugs) turned this individual into someone I barely even recognize anymore. Marijuana has it's uses...but when overused it does have very real negative effects on a human being. I'm not against drug use and support the legalization of the drug for recreational use, but believe that just like cigarettes and alcohol, it absolutely must be used responsibly and in moderation. Edited 27 Jun 09, 11:54 PM by Drummer_Dom 20 Jul 09, 1:33 AM Mistress_Kitten US(TX), 2 yrs My sub and I both smoke marijuana on a regular basis and both refer to ourselves as psychonauts. We've both experimented with psilocybin mushrooms, amanita muscaria, dimethyltryptamine, lysergic acid diethylamide and various other perception altering substances. To us, it brings us closer together. We guide each other through our trips when we participate together or separately. We sooth ourselves and use it to confront our fears, weaknesses and also in order to open ourselves up in ways that we normally wouldn't be able to because some emotions are far to complex to articulate. Its our reset button on life. If you are experienced enough to be able to utilize these substances and the like to open up your mind and your spirit to your Dom or sub then, by all means, do so. It is quite an enlightening experience. You'll never be closer to someone then when you trip with them in a dark room on ten grams of psylocybin mushrooms and have to pull yourselves back to sanity together (just make sure you have about 6mg of Risperidone handy just in case). Edited 20 Jul 09, 3:45 AM by Mistress_Kitten 20 Jul 09, 1:53 AM Mistress_Kitten US(TX), 2 yrs Whipper wrote: MasterRevolver wrote: I guess I should have assumed I'd get such hostile responses from this question (This doesn't apply to all posts). But I hoped of all people, this board would be understanding of an alt lifestyle, but instead I'm getting "drugs are bad because drugs are bad". Marijuana is not harmful for you. It does not impair your driving, your basic decision making skills, or make you aggressive. It makes you feel good, makes you hungry, and makes you lazy. You can feel free to prove me wrong. The only reason marijuana gets such negative press is from public ignorance and the shockwave of William Randolf Hearst's hemp smear campaign to keep making ridiculous money and clear-cut forests. Look it up, this is not hippie propaganda. I hope that you can look beyond the cultural taboo and understand that used in moderation, certain substances can add a new flavor to some peoples' lives. Having a new mindset for a few hours isn't something to be afraid of, but it's absolutely something to do in MODERATION. You don't get drunk and do asphyxia play, you don't do three lines of coke and get the ropes out. But getting a little stoned and sharing that sort of experience with My pet is a very fun and safe vacation from normalcy. I apologize if I offended anyone, but this is a very special part of My and My pets life. I encourage you to share personal stories and experiences instead of using this as a thread to rub my nose in what is advertised as "evil activity". People have said the same thing about bdsm/s&m, and every one of us knows it. Drugs (booze included) have no place in BDSM play at all. This is not because drugs are bad/illegal or whatever. Drugs are bad in BDSM because they alter perception and reduce inhibitions and awareness of surroundings. Anything that interferes with a dominant's perceptions and inhibitions, alters depth perception or timing when playing with a submissive puts the submissive at risk of injury. If you want to drink/do drugs - do so without playing while intoxicated (just as you would not operate a motor vehicle while under the influence). I have to strongly disagree with you. Most of the potheads and psychonauts that I know are extremely intellectual people. I have been acquainted with many individuals with doctorates that are regular users. Both my sub and Myself consider ourselves to be of a higher intellect (he has an IQ of 179) and we smoke about three times a day. I even hold down two jobs and am very much in control of my life and his. We also are familiar with many other BDSM couples that use things like psilocybin mushrooms in their activities. We play just fine while under the influence. We're careful not to bring pain into the equation. But mind alteration, when used appropriately, can be very advantageous to a relationship. I find drinking vile and disgusting. That is a substance that makes you stupid and pathetic. If you choose to indulge in anything, make sure it isn't that. Alcohol is a drug that can rip a relationship apart. I've seen it before. 20 Jul 09, 2:55 AM moebius_slave US(LA), 3 yrs Mistress_Kitten wrote: Alcohol is a drug that can rip a relationship apart. I've seen it before. you imply that pot won't kill a relationship? i've lived through that one before. The devil came to me last night and asked what I wanted in exchange for my soul. I still can't believe I said pizza. Friggin' cravings. 20 Jul 09, 3:15 AM Mistress_Kitten US(TX), 2 yrs moebius_slave wrote: Mistress_Kitten wrote: Alcohol is a drug that can rip a relationship apart. I've seen it before. you imply that pot won't kill a relationship? i've lived through that one before. As stated on the entrance of the temple of Apollo at Delphi: "Nothing too Much." "Know Thy Self." Some people can handle it, others cannot. Please excuse my generalized fallacy. 20 Jul 09, 3:49 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Whipper wrote: Drugs (booze included) have no place in BDSM play at all. This is not because drugs are bad/illegal or whatever. Drugs are bad in BDSM because they alter perception and reduce inhibitions and awareness of surroundings. Anything that interferes with a dominant's perceptions and inhibitions, alters depth perception or timing when playing with a submissive puts the submissive at risk of injury. If you want to drink/do drugs - do so without playing while intoxicated (just as you would not operate a motor vehicle while under the influence). Absolutely, drugs do affect you in many ways; but it's hard to stay away from those effects when those drugs happen to be the medication you're on for a long-standing condition. I want to make it clear that I'm talking about valid prescribed medication, not narcotics here. Mistress_Kitten wrote: I have to strongly disagree with you. Most of the potheads and psychonauts that I know are extremely intellectual people. I have been acquainted with many individuals with doctorates that are regular users. Both my sub and Myself consider ourselves to be of a higher intellect (he has an IQ of 179) and we smoke about three times a day. I even hold down two jobs and am very much in control of my life and his. We also are familiar with many other BDSM couples that use things like psilocybin mushrooms in their activities. We play just fine while under the influence. We're careful not to bring pain into the equation. But mind alteration, when used appropriately, can be very advantageous to a relationship. I find drinking vile and disgusting. That is a substance that makes you stupid and pathetic. If you choose to indulge in anything, make sure it isn't that. Alcohol is a drug that can rip a relationship apart. I've seen it before. So what you're saying 'is', just because I have a lesser intellect than you,don't smoke 'pot', and don't work because of my health, neither I nor my Owner are in control of our lives? I find it odd how you can come to this board and arbitrarily announce that something (drinking) that people are more likely to do, and is socially acceptable, and oh, legal in the main part as 'vile and disgusting to suit your own self fulifilling needs in your post. Plenty, and I mean plenty of people *I* have been around when they've taken 'pot' amongst other things haven't been intellligent in their actions, or held down anything - they can't so much as talk; you talk about how drinking is so bad, I'll tell ya something; I'm a recovered alcoholic, and it's that damned bad that I went to the pub the other night and had a lovely time, supped on a couple of pints of their finest ale, while Phay had drank a small Bourbon and Coke. Your opinion, is exactly that, so please do have it, but don't expect 'us', having been here for however long to take such arbitration lying down; we 'are' entitled to ours after all. Finally, allow me, in my lack of intellect to correct you on something.. You refer to yourself in your posts and profile as a 'DomE'; Mistress_Kitten wrote: Ritual ideas? I'm fairly new to the Dome scene and I need some daily ritual ideas. The shortening for Dominant..is Dom; NO e; Further, in your profile, you state 'I was always too dominate; shouldn't you be 'dominanant I wrote my post certainly with no prejudice or umbrage intended, but for someone who smokes drugs, and professes to be of that higher intelligence (I made do with 138 IQ, personally, and anyone can 'say' they have a number..) you've proven to really not be 'that' clever - and certainly, coming across as smug, with the 'I know people with doctorates that are...', doesn't really validate your argument at all. Still welcome to the board, it looks like it could be fun debating with you. Mistress_Kitten wrote: moebius_slave wrote: Mistress_Kitten wrote: Alcohol is a drug that can rip a relationship apart. I've seen it before. you imply that pot won't kill a relationship? i've lived through that one before. As stated on the entrance of the temple of Apollo at Delphi: "Nothing too Much." "Know Thy Self." Some people can handle it, others cannot. Please excuse my generalized fallacy. True moebius, but it's nice to see a minor retraction there; the trouble is though, sometimes 'some' weed (for example) is stronger than say, the last batch, and it can have a lot more potent effect; so your limit of two, would be reduced to, let's say an unknown limit of one-and-a-half, without you even realising it before it's too late, the same as if someone had spiked your drink. Like I said in a previous post, hindsight's a bitch. Now, I'd normally go through this post like I do all the others to spellcheck and edit for bad grammar, but it's late, I'm tired, and I had a seizure earlier, so I can't be arsed - I guess it must be the drugs. Regards, Sean. Lovingly Owned by *~ LadyPhay ~* 20 Jul 09, 3:55 AM 795-237-985 US, 2 yrs A clear distinction must be made between drug use as a lifestyle choice and drug use during a scene. This would eliminate some confusion. Next page