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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "The Role of Recreational Drugs" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 The Role of Recreational Drugs (79) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 25 Jun 09, 1:21 AM MasterDralor US(OH), 4 yrs I have no opinion one way or the other when it comes to drugs other than I will not use, or scene with anyone under the influence of any drugs or alcohol. I personally do not use drugs, other than prescription medication, but that is because of personal beliefs more than any scientific research or legal repercussions. I have friends that do and that is their choice. All I can offer is *Do as you wish as long as you harm none*. 25 Jun 09, 2:11 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs 000-874-172 wrote: Blissful_Deviant, No-one suggested that as an adult we shouldn't be able to do as we like, Well I will. The very defining essence of being an adult is the realization that nobody can always do what they want, when they want it, and the self discipline to enforce that upon one's self. An adult realizes that there is almost never a situation in which our actions affect only ourselves. Selah There is no authority, only responsibility. 25 Jun 09, 2:22 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs EvaMaria wrote: My thinking on the recreational use of marijuana is that it isn't so different from many practices connected with S&M. Bondage done improperly can lead to gangrene or worse - there's been more than a few deaths reported. Flogging can leave scars or cause infection. And I think most of us know one or more couples for whom the "dominance" was less than emotionally healthy. All "edgy" practices can be dangerous and at least in the US, (as a part of "slavery") none of the above are legal. To consider one thing acceptable provided it's done with common sense/responsibility while condemning the other under any circumstance doesn't make sense to me. Eva I respectfully disagree. There are some very salient differences. How many S&M cartels kidnap and behead people? How many S&M organizations set up dungeons in national forests complete with machine guns and land mines? How many S&M dollars fund criminal organizations across the globe? How many S&M 'pushers control housing projects and/or whole neighborhoods. S&M isn't part of a global organized crime syndicate. (And no, I don't buy the line that it is only the 'hard drugs' that cause the problems. They are all product lines of the same businesses. If you buy or sell pot, you are part of the organization ) Selah. There is no authority, only responsibility. Edited 25 Jun 09, 2:23 AM by Master_Odin 25 Jun 09, 5:21 AM kaitlyn 4 yrs EvaMaria wrote: My thinking on the recreational use of marijuana is that it isn't so different from many practices connected with S&M. Bondage done improperly can lead to gangrene or worse - there's been more than a few deaths reported. Flogging can leave scars or cause infection. And I think most of us know one or more couples for whom the "dominance" was less than emotionally healthy. All "edgy" practices can be dangerous and at least in the US, (as a part of "slavery") none of the above are legal. To consider one thing acceptable provided it's done with common sense/responsibility while condemning the other under any circumstance doesn't make sense to me. Eva I agree with your sentiment in general but I have to say that if we accept that D/s and BDSM can get risky when done wrong shouldn't we also accept that it may not be wise to take drugs or use alcohol when we know we're about to scene? My take on it is that if you are playing around with risky things, or illegal things for that matter, you should do so in a safe environment. For instance, I think we can all agree, it's just not wise to smoke a joint before operating a vehicle, and the same goes for BDSM. Don't blaze and beat. lol that's my motto 25 Jun 09, 7:25 AM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Master_Odin wrote: EvaMaria wrote: My thinking on the recreational use of marijuana is that it isn't so different from many practices connected... I respectfully disagree. There are some very salient differences. How many S&M cartels kidnap and behead people? How many S&M organizations set up dungeons in national forests complete with machine guns and land mines? How many S&M dollars fund criminal organizations across the globe? How many S&M 'pushers control housing projects and/or whole neighborhoods. S&M isn't part of a global organized crime syndicate. (And no, I don't buy the line that it is only the 'hard drugs' that cause the problems. They are all product lines of the same businesses. If you buy or sell pot, you are part of the organization ) Selah. (Emphasis mine) It's true enough that many drugs are the product of cartels, human abuse and violence, and many who buy and sell are part of the problem. It's also true that not all marijuana comes that route and therefore not all who purchase and/or sell are part of the organization. I do think the political issue is a serious one, but I felt it to be outside the range of the topic offered - that's why I specifically limited my remarks to the recreational use of marijuana. kaitlyn wrote: I agree with your sentiment in general but I have to say that if we accept that D/s and BDSM can get risky when done wrong shouldn't we also accept that it may not be wise to take drugs or use alcohol when we know we're about to scene? My take on it is that if you are playing around with risky things, or illegal things for that matter, you should do so in a safe environment. For instance, I think we can all agree, it's just not wise to smoke a joint before operating a vehicle, and the same goes for BDSM. Don't blaze and beat. lol that's my motto That makes good sense to me too, and maybe I should clarify my earlier statement. A person should definitely refrain from any risky activity while under the influence of any substance. But I think there are safe activities of BDSM (bathing, massage, dance, etc) during which the use of marijuana would not be risky or dangerous. My remarks were in rebuttal only to those instances of foolish and irresponsible use offered as reasons that no drug can serve a valid recreational purpose. Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 25 Jun 09, 7:50 AM kaitlyn 4 yrs That makes alot of sense and I agree completely I'm actually a bit of a stoner lol just not ever in conjunction with other risky things. Thanks for clarifying! kait 25 Jun 09, 8:56 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Master_Odin wrote: 000-874-172 wrote: Blissful_Deviant, No-one suggested that as an adult we shouldn't be able to do as we like, Well I will. The very defining essence of being an adult is the realization that nobody can always do what they want, when they want it, and the self discipline to enforce that upon one's self. An adult realizes that there is almost never a situation in which our actions affect only ourselves. Selah Trust you Selah! Seriously though, let me rephrase my original to make myself clearer as to what I really meant - it wasn't very clear having looked back. No-one said we shouldn't be able to do as we'd like, as adults - so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us. I want to reiterate (or perhaps intimate is a better term here), that when I smoked cannibis for pain relief a few years ago - I fell over and quite significantly injured myself - but as far as I'm aware nothing ever happened to those around me when I smoked it during that period at all (physically nor emotionally, and it's a long story of how when and why anyway), just that when someone I was with at the time smoked it, it caused that many problems that it's not even worth discussing. The context of the problems caused and the other person's use were different and from different supplies, for informational purposes. I didn't set out to muddy the water, and I haven't come back to flame - simply to clarify from a personal viewpoint, based on my own history. Enjoy ya day, Sean. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~ 26 Jun 09, 1:39 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs 000-874-172 wrote: No-one said we shouldn't be able to do as we'd like, as adults - so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us. I am an owner. BY DEFINITION my every action and decision is imposed upon, and brings risk to, another. I do not see how any owner can *responsibly* allow themselves to become, high, drunk or even overcome with anger. Selah There is no authority, only responsibility. 26 Jun 09, 1:43 AM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs EvaMaria wrote: It's true enough that many drugs are the product of cartels, human abuse and violence, and many who buy and sell are part of the problem. It's also true that not all marijuana comes that route and therefore not all who purchase and/or sell are part of the organization. I do think the political issue is a serious one, but I felt it to be outside the range of the topic offered - that's why I specifically limited my remarks to the recreational use of marijuana. Market demand is market demand, it's all fueling the same business. Selah There is no authority, only responsibility. 26 Jun 09, 4:36 PM SeanT70 9 yrs Master_Odin wrote: 000-874-172 wrote: No-one said we shouldn't be able to do as we'd like, as adults - so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us. I am an owner. BY DEFINITION my every action and decision is imposed upon, and brings risk to, another. I do not see how any owner can *responsibly* allow themselves to become, high, drunk or even overcome with anger. Selah ..and as such, in taking all this responsibility, it seems you've become incredibly tense and uptight. Like I said - in clarity of my previous post, and am being shot at again, so long as it doesn't impose on, or bring risk of harm to those around us Clearly, and I will say this again (just for you Selah), clearly, getting high, being drunk (not having a social drink - a different matter) is not in any way in anyone's safest interest, whether it be the M or s that is either (though why the M would allow their charge to be is another story..) It is worth noting that Phay, my Owner, will not tolerate either of the above in her house, and does not partake of either in any case. Now, having said all that - again, and having made myself abundantly clear in the process, let it drop, and move on. Regards, Sean. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~ Next page