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Sat 23 May 09, 10:09 PM 347-926-367 US, 3 yrs as a few of you may know, im STILL a newbie to this lifestyle..but im wondering: is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER? like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him? how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way? and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things? again all of your commentary and opinions r greatly appreciated.. muah! ~*AnAlKiTtEn21*~ 24 May 09, 12:27 AM 483-608-929 US(OH), 4 yrs 347-926-367 wrote: DISRESPECT.. as a few of you may know, im STILL a newbie to this lifestyle..but im wondering: is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER? like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him? how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way? and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things? again all of your commentary and opinions r greatly appreciated.. muah! i can answer in terms of my Owner and MASTER. Disobedience and dishonesty equal disrepect to Him. The only thing He really wants from me is unquestionable obedience. i don't have to be double jointed and able to do all kinds of fancy positions. i don't have to endure something totally uncomfortable or painful or against what i want to do. He wants me to speak up and tell Him honestly what is on my mind. There are suppose to be no secrets. "is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER?" lie to Him, cheat, sneak around, be dishonest - there are most definitely ways to disrespect Him and these are only a few. "like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him?" A good Master will not consider telling the truth disrespecting Him. He may still want to do it and take it slowly and ease you into it. But, as trust builds between Y/you and you see that He will not allow harm to come to you (unless you want it i.e marks and bruises), then it becomes very easy to obey without thinking anything of what He asks. you only want to please and do what He asks. "how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way?" There should already be communication between Y/you and, if not, there needs to be. Say everything openly and honestly and don't worry if you are saying it right. Be yourself and speak like yourself. your Master has to know you and you can't be acting the whole time like someone you are not. "and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things?" you can be disrespected if your Master turns out to be a liar and cheat Himself. He must be what He says He is and do as He says He will. The second question really should be by itself and not with the disrepect question. A sub who truly trusts her Master and knows she has put her trust in the right place can go with the flow and not worry about permanent harm. That is part of the blissful nature of giving control to someone and trusting them fully. i hope this helps. Great pic btw. Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 26 May 09, 2:23 PM 779-061-353 US(MO), 4 yrs Y! is it possible to disrespect your Master... yes. Can you by tell Him the honest truth about something ... no. However, He might get upset if it was something He wanted you to do and discovered it was a no-no for you and in that being angry because He did something to you He shouldn't have. What i mean by that last statement is even in a total submission where your MAster is law in everything if it is something that could damage you mentally physically irreparablely, He will generaly won't. and if by accident He does do something to hurt you in that way a Master generally will get angry with themselves for not thinking before hand about it. written kneeling at His feet, leash frimly in place Come check out this girl's writings http://www.freewebs.com/bardic/ Master Silver Wolf approves all this grl's posts they MUST pass his approval before posting 27 May 09, 2:29 AM 347-926-367 US, 3 yrs 779-061-353 wrote: is it possible to disrespect your Master... yes. Can you by tell Him the honest truth about something ... no. However, He might get upset if it was something He wanted you to do and discovered it was a no-no for you and in that being angry because He did something to you He shouldn't have. What i mean by that last statement is even in a total submission where your MAster is law in everything if it is something that could damage you mentally physically irreparablely, He will generaly won't. and if by accident He does do something to hurt you in that way a Master generally will get angry with themselves for not thinking before hand about it. thankyou for your insight. i really appreciate it ~*AnAlKiTtEn21*~ 27 May 09, 2:31 AM 347-926-367 US, 3 yrs 483-608-929 wrote: 347-926-367 wrote: DISRESPECT.. as a few of you may know, im STILL a newbie to this lifestyle..but im wondering: is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER? like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him? how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way? and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things? again all of your commentary and opinions r greatly appreciated.. muah! i can answer in terms of my Owner and MASTER. Disobedience and dishonesty equal disrepect to Him. The only thing He really wants from me is unquestionable obedience. i don't have to be double jointed and able to do all kinds of fancy positions. i don't have to endure something totally uncomfortable or painful or against what i want to do. He wants me to speak up and tell Him honestly what is on my mind. There are suppose to be no secrets. "is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER?" lie to Him, cheat, sneak around, be dishonest - there are most definitely ways to disrespect Him and these are only a few. "like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him?" A good Master will not consider telling the truth disrespecting Him. He may still want to do it and take it slowly and ease you into it. But, as trust builds between Y/you and you see that He will not allow harm to come to you (unless you want it i.e marks and bruises), then it becomes very easy to obey without thinking anything of what He asks. you only want to please and do what He asks. "how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way?" There should already be communication between Y/you and, if not, there needs to be. Say everything openly and honestly and don't worry if you are saying it right. Be yourself and speak like yourself. your Master has to know you and you can't be acting the whole time like someone you are not. "and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things?" you can be disrespected if your Master turns out to be a liar and cheat Himself. He must be what He says He is and do as He says He will. The second question really should be by itself and not with the disrepect question. A sub who truly trusts her Master and knows she has put her trust in the right place can go with the flow and not worry about permanent harm. That is part of the blissful nature of giving control to someone and trusting them fully. i hope this helps. Great pic btw. thankyou. you have really helped..ur pic is nice, also ~*AnAlKiTtEn21*~ 7 Jun 09, 6:32 AM MasterRevolver US(CA), 4 yrs 483-608-929 wrote: 347-926-367 wrote: DISRESPECT.. as a few of you may know, im STILL a newbie to this lifestyle..but im wondering: is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER? like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him? how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way? and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things? again all of your commentary and opinions r greatly appreciated.. muah! i can answer in terms of my Owner and MASTER. Disobedience and dishonesty equal disrepect to Him. The only thing He really wants from me is unquestionable obedience. i don't have to be double jointed and able to do all kinds of fancy positions. i don't have to endure something totally uncomfortable or painful or against what i want to do. He wants me to speak up and tell Him honestly what is on my mind. There are suppose to be no secrets. "is there a way to totally disrespect MASTER?" lie to Him, cheat, sneak around, be dishonest - there are most definitely ways to disrespect Him and these are only a few. "like if i were to let him know im not totally comfortable with doing something he requests, is that just totally disrespecting him?" A good Master will not consider telling the truth disrespecting Him. He may still want to do it and take it slowly and ease you into it. But, as trust builds between Y/you and you see that He will not allow harm to come to you (unless you want it i.e marks and bruises), then it becomes very easy to obey without thinking anything of what He asks. you only want to please and do what He asks. "how do i say things the right way so he doesnt feel this way?" There should already be communication between Y/you and, if not, there needs to be. Say everything openly and honestly and don't worry if you are saying it right. Be yourself and speak like yourself. your Master has to know you and you can't be acting the whole time like someone you are not. "and since im HIS sub, can i be disrespected? or should i just go with the flow of things?" you can be disrespected if your Master turns out to be a liar and cheat Himself. He must be what He says He is and do as He says He will. The second question really should be by itself and not with the disrepect question. A sub who truly trusts her Master and knows she has put her trust in the right place can go with the flow and not worry about permanent harm. That is part of the blissful nature of giving control to someone and trusting them fully. i hope this helps. Great pic btw. Even if your Master is a liar, and a cheat, and a bastard - it is not your place to EVER disrespect your master. You can consider your legal right to be uncollared if you're displeased with your Master's behavior, but never outright disrespect. That's just not your place. 3 Jul 09, 5:03 PM tigermonkey US(MN), 2 yrs "Even if your Master is a liar, and a cheat, and a bastard - it is not your place to EVER disrespect your master. You can consider your legal right to be uncollared if you're displeased with your Master's behavior, but never outright disrespect. That's just not your place." (couldn't figure out how to quote this so here it is) Well Id like to say this, disrespect on either part is wrong, not just to Master or to the sub. It is neither of their place to disrespect either one. Disrespecting a sub is just as bad as disrespecting a Dom/Master. Is there a point that the sub can cross a line yes, but so can a Master. Yes she has the right to be uncollared, as much as he has the right to uncollar her. Saying it is not her place, you need to make it clear it is not his place either. Edited 3 Jul 09, 5:04 PM by tigermonkey 3 Jul 09, 8:59 PM mystyblu US(TX), 2 yrs Respect in a relationship goes both ways. Yes there are ways, as the others have stated, to disrespect your Master, you one main duty is to obey your Master. If you are uncomfortable or unsure about something he has requested of your then talk to him. Discuss it, which does not mean he will not require this task of you but it lets him know he may need to proceed in a different manner. Take it slower, or talk with you more about it. You have to be honest and open with your Master or there could be a situation where damage would occur, physical or mental. Your master is responsible for your safety and wellbeing and without your input it could put that at jeopardy. .this girl wishes you luck and happiness CSs_mystyone What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. ~ by Ralph Waldo Emerson ~ 4 Jul 09, 12:04 AM 834-110-590 IE, 2 yrs It may be considered disrespect to withhold from your Master. Maybe show him this post, I also imagine he may have instructed you on rules, etc. Maybe put the question in your journal for him to read if you keep one. Best of luck 4 Jul 09, 1:55 AM Ou_pais US, 5 yrs Disrespect is in the eye of the beholder. There are things i've said to Master that would probably get me in trouble with somebody else, and things i've said that did get me in trouble that someone else might not have even noticed! Mostly it has to do with tone of voice, i think. It all depends on the person involved. Honesty is key to Master too, as sounds like is pretty typical judging from others' replies. Certainly i am required to be honest and transparent, but that's not enough for Him. We are constantly working on how i can express my negative feelings in a positive way. It's something i nailed for a little while but then i lost it and am struggling to figure it out again. It is possible to express negative feelings without being whiny, accusatory, stubborn, snippy, sarcastic, etc., but sometimes i struggle! As for whether He can disrespect me . . . well, respect is a privilege for me, not a right. There are times when i feel humiliated or belittled or less important to Him than i want to be, which i guess are related to feeling disrespected . . . i've never really thought about it in those terms. It does bother me when i feel like He's taking me for granted even though i try to accept it. pais 4 Jul 09, 3:34 AM tigermonkey US(MN), 2 yrs Ou_pais wrote: As for whether He can disrespect me . . . well, respect is a privilege for me, not a right. Respect is a privilege for you, not a right? Maybe I'm a little less strict them some of the other Dom/Master in here but how is respect a privilege and not a right? Also as for respect vs humiliation, they are two completely different things. Humiliation is a choice one makes in this lifestyle and the other is something that has to exist for the relationship to work. If the Dom/Master does not respect the person who gives them the control how can it work, and vice versa. Next page