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	TSR : Web boards : M/s and D/s : "Need for Punishment?" 1 2 Need for Punishment? (17) 31 May 09, 11:49 PM Master1Willcall US(FL), 18 mths May I "assume" that when my S/s acts out in defiance (which is blatant and confronting) that she is actually asking for a physical release from her emotions. I find this occurs on a routine monthly basis which is proceeded by so many questions as to why I have her as my S/s and why she is worthy of being my S/s? 1 Jun 09, 6:07 PM MyLordsClay US(FL), 23 mths Thank you everyone for your responses and advice. However, i feel for some, a little more clarification on my part is needed. i have been owned by Master for over 22 years. i work with Master so i am at Masters side for about 22 out of 24 hours each day. i also assist in raising our four children. (Plus, Master is a Gemini so i have to work twice as hard just to please all His personalities). i have been trained, as most slaves have, to meet the needs of Master as he sees fit for Him. We have a very deep and loving relationship and admit we spend much of the day laughing and enjoying each other. We live our M/s lifestyle as much as possible throughout the day and most people think we're an exceptional couple - perhaps just a little strange. i always strive for perfection in my submission (don't we all). i can at times be hard on myself when i make even the smallest of mistakes that i feel, at this point, i should be above and beyond making. This doesn't happen very often and usually the mistake is not too significant - it's just sometimes, i feel so terrible about it. Oysterspearl, 976-188-983, 281-731-461 and others, i thank you for your thoughts and response. You are right in what you say, sometimes it helps to hear it from others, does that make sense? Yes, Raven, i am a little bit of a pain junkie and Master gives me my fix often enough as a reward so i don't jones. However, disobeying to get that fix does not work in Masters house - Master would see right through that and punishment would be anything but what i was looking for. I also learned long ago it is not wise to make the same mistake twice. Your reply, as well as your posts elsewhere on this site, plus those from many others here, always make me stop and think - isn't that what this forum is about, lending ones thoughts and helping others? All and all, due of my post, the responses of others and mostly Master, i have received lots of help and i don't think i'll be having trouble with this much anymore. Perhaps i'll post how all this has come about. Again, i thank everyone for responding, you've all been very helpful MyLordsclay All that i am and will be is by His generousity. i thank my Master for finding me and helping me find myself. i am His to mold as He sees fit. 1 Jun 09, 8:45 PM winds_of_passion US(SD), 16 mths shelly_slave_of_LT wrote: ravenkaldera wrote: There's also the possibility, which must be considered, that you might be addicted to the catharsis of a beating, and that the corporal punishment has created a mental feedback loop of "disobey - feel guilty - get a catharsis". In which case it's less about atonement and more about getting a fix. And maybe your top doesn't want to be your pusher. I think that another unanswered question is this: Do the punishments actually work for what they're meant for? Once you're punished for something, do you *never do it again*? Or do you keep doing it periodically anyway ... perhaps when you need another "fix"? -Raven Kaldera i think this is exactly what i do or have done in the past...i literally CRAVE pain to atone for something...i think it totally has to do with that physical release i find in pain and wanting to have that. 1 Jun 09, 9:08 PM winds_of_passion US(SD), 16 mths Master1Willcall wrote: May I "assume" that when my S/s acts out in defiance (which is blatant and confronting) that she is actually asking for a physical release from her emotions. I find this occurs on a routine monthly basis which is proceeded by so many questions as to why I have her as my S/s and why she is worthy of being my S/s? I think a variety of punishments should be used, and this is dependent on the wrong doings of the slave. I know Many slaves like myself need the feel of corporal punishment spankings, whether in punishment or play...It is a emotional release that is a need and this need has to be satisfied or more behavior problems and disatisfaction can become a reality. Does it really matter as to why the slave needs this? I know that the majority of slaves I have spoken to in the past say they have a need for corporal punishment spanking or at the least, hard spankings part of the time to feel this release. And when asked why this was a need in them, I was told the same thing I also feel deep inside. The need to feel their Masters authority and dominance was the main answer. The need to feel his strength and control...The slave needs to be able to cry and express these feelings at times with her Master...The slave needs to show true remorse and be forgiven by Master in order to feel closer to him as his slave... Begging for the Master to stop the punishment was also another big reason some slaves needs this kind of punishment. The need for the slave to beg is strong in many slaves, this is a need that has to be satisfied as well. Maybe the answer to the problem of corporal punishment for slaves, or the lack of it needs to be re addressed by both in a new contract or at least verbally between the two. The bottom line is this, if it's a need by the slave that goes unsatisfied, it will keep coming up to cause more problems in their future. Therefore, it needs to be addressed to keep harmony in their home enviornment. 15 Jul 09, 5:07 AM 688-914-375 US(MN), 14 mths My Dom fixed the trouble of it being a matter of me disobeying for the pain by a simple request for it. At first it was a matter of, well its no fun if I have asked for it, but I have found that to not be the case, she has made it very easy, and I have found it can work very well to simply state that I need that release rather than acting out to get it. When I act out, it just ends badly with hard feelings all around as she does not like me upset and when I have upset her... I end up very upset. *shakes head sadly* one does not upset a Dom who hates to see their sub upset, as then they get more upset and talk about feeling a guilt trip from hell... Syr's respected and loved little one. 3 Aug 09, 12:34 AM 237-826-814 UK, 2 yrs Y! MyLordsClay wrote: Need for Punishment? i have read many posts concerning corporal punishment and how some slaves do not require that anymore. Some slaves say they feel so bad about disappointing their Masters - that that's punishment enough. i too feel awful when i've disappointed Master - but i've discovered that i need to "atone" for my mistake with pain or i will continue to feel bad and get depressed. A lot of the time Master does not feel that the error warrants corporal punishment and will use some other method for correction (standing in the corner, solitary, etc.). These methods help me think about my error, why it happened and how not to do it again . . . but i have trouble getting rid of the disappointment in myself for messing up. Master does not like this behavior and has talked with me often about continuing to "beating myself up" over mistakes that He has already corrected. Master feels that once correction has been made, the matter is over and should not be dwelled upon further. i have tried but unless the punishment includes corporal, i have found it very difficult. So my question is this . . . how do slaves get rid of that bad feeling without corporal? Thankfully Master is very understanding and He acquiesces to His slaves need for the sake of her mental stability, but this slave would like to be less of a "broken toy" for Master. My Lords clay If we dwell on today we lose tomorrow xxx subflame 11 Aug 09, 11:42 AM 551-638-261 US, 13 mths I would not say you were a broken toy. I too need to have severe punishment as a correction for my behavior. It is partly because I have masochistic tendancies and my Master understands that this is part of me. So he does not try to change it but works with me to provide me what I desire. I think this must be part of the consensual relationship of a slave and Master ie both need to benefit from the relationship. Slave SCWOB