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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "but thats not fair sir!" 1 2 but thats not fair sir! (18) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 6 May 09, 9:17 PM Master_Teel US(TX), 4 yrs A slightly older thread on the same topic, for a bit of historical perspective... http://www.seekdiscipline.com/boards/dominance/1... Master_Teel Use Google to search SD: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:se... 7 May 09, 9:12 AM 980-390-129 UK, 3 yrs Y! Dear Ms Valentine, While I don't have a wealth of experience, once consent has been given then the slave should obey without question.The point I make is that if a slave willfully disobeys that deserves severe punishment whereas if a slave makes a genuine mistake, caused by lack of concentration then a lesser punishment would be prescribed. 8 May 09, 6:14 AM 693-874-541 US(CA), 3 yrs in my opinion ... This is something that you have to look into before accepting your Master's collar. If you two do not see eye to eye on simple concepts like what is over the top or not then just like in any other relationship you will not be compatible. Now there are some exceptions to the rule like in everything, but you have to trust that your Master is doing this (what ever it is) for your own good. Whether it is to teach you a lesson so you do not repeat an offense or to shape you into the type of slave/sub that your Master wants you to be. 8 May 09, 6:36 AM LovingMasterDaddy US, 3 yrs ravenkaldera wrote: To me, "fair" means: This is what I told you it would be like when we negotiated in the beginning. You consented, with all information. We both agreed that this is how it would be. I am being consistent with that agreement, in that I am not imposing injustices beyond what was discussed, or behaving in a dishonorable manner. Therefore, I'm being fair. If I changed the rules, was inconsistent and didn't hold up what I promised to hold up, that would be unfair. -Raven Kaldera Here, here, Raven! I agree completely with Raven. Furthermore, in a poly relationship, it should be well-understood within the Household in advance (because this will inevitably arise...) that, where the Master's perception of fairness and an individual slave's perception of fairness are in conflict with one another, it should be well-understood by all that the Master's perception (ideally, in alignment with Raven's above-stated principle) always has prominence, since the Master can sometimes be aware of matters impacting the entire Household (or other slaves) that the concerned slave may be unaware of. I also believe that it is a profound responsibility of the Master to ensure that they have as close to a complete, "God's Eye" view of all goings-on within the Household as possible. For example: unless the Master can read minds, it can be very difficult for Him to be confidently impartial and fair, if he has no independent means of audit/review of what may have happened within his physical absence, in the case where he is getting two different versions/ perspectives of the "truth" from two different slaves that may have ulterior motives (a "she said, she said" situation). I am personally an advocate of in-home surveillance to "keep people honest" (that is "let's go back to the tape" in cases where I hear differing versions of what happened), but I'm sure many might disagree. 8 May 09, 6:41 PM 347-926-367 US, 3 yrs yes i think evryone has sum sort of problem or issue with always having to do wat your Master wants, but theres nothing you can do unless ur just not into the lifestyle ~*AnAlKiTtEn21*~ 9 May 09, 10:45 AM doormat UK, 5 yrs thanks for all the replies. seems its one thing to accept unfairness if you feel your owner has your best interests are at heart but what when you feel they dont. i trust he has his best interests at heart and thats all i expect and wouldnt want things any other way. someone said he could be a power mad player and user, he is, its one of the reasons i like him. i chose him, and still choose him so i got no one to blame but myself and shouldnt complain, its just bloody difficult not to at times. 9 May 09, 11:03 AM MasterPJ UK, 3 yrs sub_way wrote: thanks for all the replies. seems its one thing to accept unfairness if you feel your owner has your best interests are at heart but what when you feel they dont. i trust he has his best interests at heart and thats all i expect and wouldnt want things any other way. someone said he could be a power mad player and user, he is, its one of the reasons i like him. i chose him, and still choose him so i got no one to blame but myself and shouldnt complain, its just bloody difficult not to at times. If the unfairness is what you really enjoy, that's great! What you could do is accept that your natural instinct is to complain, but then afterwards beg for a punishment for the complaint... Best of luck! Owner of nika. She is mine and I love her dearly. 10 May 09, 6:25 PM porcelaine 5 yrs it would largely depend on the situation. was this something that came about that neither anticipated? a change of heart/desire by either party? previously negotiated circumstances that have been breached? as you can see it can fall under many umbrellas. i'm human, as such i will have feelings that may not coincide with my owner's desires. this is not to say i'm not attempting to align myself with him, but i'm realistic as well. i will get disappointed. i will feel at times things are unfair or even unjust. i consider this normal. in my opinion it isn't the emotion that brings about the problem, but how you choose to respond afterward that can. communication is important and i find most people are reasonable and will listen. just as long as you realize that your words may not sway him, and proceed without expectation of such. not to mention the transparency you achieve by sharing everything, even the not so pretty feelings that come along. "You linger over what you've acquired, and contemplate her, and penetrate her, and live with her beneath the fire in which she crepitates, yields, moans, giving in to your flesh or to more remote, more inscrutable qualities." ~Homero Aridjis