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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "An essay I found online..." 1 2 An essay I found online... (15) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board (moved from Internal Enslavement). Fri 1 May 09, 8:22 PM Paper_of_the_Pen CA, 3 yrs http://al.turtlecounseling.com/blog/_archives/20... The article isn't about 'real' M/s relationships, but I found it very...fascinating. 2 May 09, 1:28 PM Oysterspearl US(VA), 3 yrs Thank you for sharing it. Master and i read this last night and both found it interesting. pearl 2 May 09, 2:49 PM Paper_of_the_Pen CA, 3 yrs Not a problem. I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. 3 Sep 09, 1:03 PM 346-756-859 US(NY), 2 yrs Y! Very interesting article, there's alot of information here, it explains the dynamic of alot of personalities that I know in both the vanilla and non-vanilla world. 3 Sep 09, 5:37 PM 247-330-189 US(CA), 3 yrs Y! I loved it as well!!! Thank you for sharing. If ever thou be'st bound in thy scarf and beaten, thou shalt find what it is to be proud of thy bondage. William Shakespeare. 3 Sep 09, 6:46 PM Tanos UK, 14 yrs Y! Omocha wrote: An essay I found online... http://al.turtlecounseling.com/blog/_archives/20... The article isn't about 'real' M/s relationships, but I found it very...fascinating. A lot of the elements he identifies in the Master/slave section are features of disfunctional M/s relationships. We stress communication, and faulty communication (including ignoring important information the slave has) looks like one of the key things he's worried about. Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk 30 Nov 09, 12:54 AM 319-278-173 US(WI), 2 yrs Very interesting..and it completely makes me sure of my choice to be a slave. A Gorean slave, incidentally, always addresses free men as "Master," and all free women as "Mistress." — Captive of Gor, page 73. 30 Nov 09, 3:14 AM Ettiennes_slut US(OR), 2 yrs Tanos wrote: A lot of the elements he identifies in the Master/slave section are features of disfunctional M/s relationships. We stress communication, and faulty communication (including ignoring important information the slave has) looks like one of the key things he's worried about. Regards, Tanos i agree with Tanos in that the description in the article is of a dysfunctional relationship. It would be very difficult to trust a M or D who did not listen to the needs of His/Her sub/slave. Ettiennes_slut 1 Dec 09, 1:45 AM 186-306-559 US(NC), 2 yrs I also agree with Tanos. In the relationship I have with Master, I am very free to talk and voice my opinions. We have a very healthy level of communication. I am free to express any of my feelings as long as I do so in a respectful way. Master encourages me to be expressive and communicate with Him. Ettiennes_slut wrote: Tanos wrote: A lot of the elements he identifies in the Master/slave section are features of disfunctional M/s relationships. We stress communication, and faulty communication (including ignoring important information the slave has) looks like one of the key things he's worried about. Regards, Tanos i agree with Tanos in that the description in the article is of a dysfunctional relationship. It would be very difficult to trust a M or D who did not listen to the needs of His/Her sub/slave. Ettiennes_slut 2 Dec 09, 12:05 AM 298-517-980 US(CO), 2 yrs I discussed the article with my Master last night, and he said the author doesn't understand the dynamics of a good, stable Master/slave relationship. As the author makes clear, he believes that a "friend-friend" relationship is much better than a Master/slave relationship, so the author is inheriently biased. My Master made note that the primarily reason the author believes Master/slave relationships are unstable is a lack of communication. The author believes this so much that he automatically assumes that when he encounters a relationship in which the parties have trouble communicating, then it must be a Master/slave relationship at heart. My Master said that might be the case with an inexperienced Master or in a relationship where the people did not realize they were in a Master/slave relationship. However, he said the assumption was ridiculous in a dedicated situation with an experienced Owner who has learned how to handle the responsibility of managing slaver. Master said he always makes sure he maintains a very strong line of communication with his slaves, and, as a result, he has learned to maintain very long-term and healthy relationships with his household members, both free (his wife) and owned. Healthy friend-friend relationships result in arguments all the time. It's a fact of life. Often, one of the friends decides to maintain the peace and stop talking, even to the point of avoiding speaking about a particular topic that is sensitive to the other person. In many cases, what the author calls "friend-friend" relationships are what I would call "switch-switch" relationships, in which each person is dominant some times and submissive others, with both parties often agreeing to compromise to maintain their friendship. Therefore, although the essay was interesting, I'm not sure how directly it might apply to many of the relationships presented by people on TsR. But then, I don't think very many people outside of such relationships truly understand the feelings of joy and rightness that comes when a person with a slave heart finds themselves finally owned and in loving service. My own psychiatrist is extremely familiar with the BDSM lifestyle (he's known as being "lifestyle friendly" in the local community), but even he has told me he thinks I'm "selling myself short" by living as a 24/7 slave. It just goes to show you that with some things you just can't explain them to somebody if they don't automatically understand them from the start. Such is life! *grins* Wooden puppet in her dreams ... Organic puppet in real life ... http://wolfslavegirl.blogspot.com 7 Dec 09, 6:25 AM PolygamistTestament US, 3 yrs 298-517-980 wrote: My own psychiatrist is extremely familiar with the BDSM lifestyle (he's known as being "lifestyle friendly" in the local community), but even he has told me he thinks I'm "selling myself short" by living as a 24/7 slave. It just goes to show you that with some things you just can't explain them to somebody if they don't automatically understand them from the start. Such is life! *grins* It is possible that he or she did not know how to put it simply. People often do not say what they mean. I would be concerned with loss of basic life skills if you are kept indoors too much like what happens to people who are in solitary confinement for long periods of time. It has been found that it can result in a form of brain damage where certain abilities are lost permanently. You might be at a higher risk of getting in an automobile accident due to lack of recent experience for example. Next page