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	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "After spanking my sub..." 1 2 After spanking my sub... (18) This post is on the Other Topics web board. 15 Apr 09, 3:20 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Dominnie wrote: In my opinion, you should never focus on the negative. Your slave is bad. Think of this like a child. They get punished, which yes, they should if they have been naughty...... This logic is twisted. It suggests that the person, whether child or slave is inherently bad, and as such is will only ever get punished because they're naughty, rather than rewarded when they're good, or even interacted with at all just for 'being'... It's not the person, whether slave or child that's inherently bad, but the behaviour that needs modifying, and at no time does this need to be done with any kind of 'punishment' - that's where half our kinks came from after all. Sean. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~ 15 Apr 09, 6:30 AM Rolling_Wildheart 6 yrs It's not the person, whether slave or child that's inherently bad, but the behaviour that needs modifying, and at no time does this need to be done with any kind of 'punishment' - that's where half our kinks came from after all. Sean. I agree and disagree. I agree it's not the person, but the behavior that needs modifying, but I disagree on there not being a need for any kind of punishment. Even those without a punishment dynamic, which, I believe, Raven has said in the past he does not have, use some sort of tactic that actually works as a punishment to the slave. In his case, I believe he said that he has a talk with Joshua if he does something wrong. This can work, whether intended by the Dom or not, as a punishment of guilt to the sub. It may not in all cases, but it can. Not all punishment has to be physical. Wildheart Forsaken/I have come for you tonight/Awaken/Look in my eyes and take my hand/Give yourself up to me. - Dream Theater 16 Apr 09, 1:58 AM 996-150-083 4 yrs After a punishment flogging I am required to wear a ball gag for 2 hours and to contemplate how I can be a better slave. Sometimes I am required to kiss Mistress Tamara's anus immediately after thanking Mistress Tamara for my punishment, though I am never allowed any contact with Mistress Tamara's pussy for many hours after being disciplined for disobedience. Spanked Slave 996-150-083 18 Apr 09, 9:15 PM Dominnie US, 3 yrs Eh? When I say punishment I do not mean horrible beatings or locked in a closet for an hour or sitting in a corner or time out. Maybe I used the wrong word and gave you the wrong idea? A punishment doesn't need to be pain. Sometimes it can be a talking to, a solving a problem or figuring out a feeling. It can be just listening and having time to think about what one has done. I reward my girl when she is good, I "punish" - or should I say teach her how I would like her to act/talk to her and resolve a problem/listen to her and understand/let her know she did something I did not approve of, etc. - I cuddle her, play games with her, eat breakfast, lunch and dinner with her, watch TV, go to work together, actually work together, etc. etc. etc. My time is ALWAYS spent with my slave, whether she has been good or bad or otherwise. I also think that there is a strong difference between fun and punishment. A slave could adore getting her ass spanked, but if it is happening because she was bad, it could be a punishment. She may love alone time, but if she is sent to think about her actions and be alone, she may hate it. But as I said, I do not believe an Owner should EVER "punish" out of anger, either. Does this make more sense? 19 Apr 09, 1:00 AM slave_najah_of_VARR CA, 3 yrs showing some love after any punishment is good it shows all is forgiven and lets move on 19 Apr 09, 10:21 PM Subdurance UK, 3 yrs Master1Willcall wrote: Thank you for your input. Most respected. For her to go down on me is like vanilla people having caviar and champagne. I can understand how this would be a close to the disclipline, but I just want to make sure Im not sending mixed messages as to what she did was okay. I would guess that would be on an individual case by case scenario as to how the discipline was finilaized. I look forward to more discussion. Thanks I think it depends upon whether the spanking or other beating was punishment or part of her training. I use beatings in both aspects. I think that if the beating is as punishment, then a reward immediately thereafter is destructive of the traing aspects that required the punishment. If, however, the beating is part of her training and she has performed well in that training, then a reward is not a problem. Do others see it that way? 19 Apr 09, 10:57 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs Subdurance - Out of curiosity, what is the goal of your training when beating is used? Eva (The property formerly known as Camille ) 20 Apr 09, 4:54 AM SeanT70 9 yrs Everyone knows if ya pick a spot for long enough it'll bleed to the point where the skin will toughen up and when it's healed because it's nursed (rewarded), it'll be tougher than that or those around it; an endurance-bot (spot) if you will... Sean. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~