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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Stockholm and IE Theory" 1 2 Stockholm and IE Theory (14) Thu 2 Apr 09, 5:08 AM Bella_Ragazza US(RI), 4 yrs Stockholm syndrome- is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. Google Search Engine So here is what I was wondering, If there is a unowned slave, in the lifestyle, would they be more susceptible to the syndrome if kidnapped ? I was wondering this since I have heard people in the past having fantasies of being in prison and such. So I wondered if the syndrome would happen faster then in a normal person, or would they be traumatized like a normal person would be? I know some people have rape fantasies but would never dream of wanting to be raped for real, could this also be the case? thank you for your opinions Bella 2 Apr 09, 10:27 AM Malkinius US(IL), 4 yrs Greetings Bella.... Bella_Ragazza wrote: Stockholm and IE Theory Stockholm syndrome- is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. Google Search Engine So here is what I was wondering, If there is a unowned slave, in the lifestyle, would they be more susceptible to the syndrome if kidnapped ? I was wondering this since I have heard people in the past having fantasies of being in prison and such. So I wondered if the syndrome would happen faster then in a normal person, or would they be traumatized like a normal person would be? I know some people have rape fantasies but would never dream of wanting to be raped for real, could this also be the case? thank you for your opinions Bella You pose an interesting question and one I had not considered. But...having considered it I don't have a solid answer except that it would depend on the person. Stockholm Syndrome (SS) is a quirky thing. In most cases it happens by accident rather than by planning. In a few cases, what people try to do to others is brainwashing and what they get is SS. In the first case, where SS is not planned, probably not much more. They might even resist it better as they would obey without the pressure that causes SS. This means the extremes that trigger it don't happen and thus the syndrome doesn't happen. In the latter case, where something is planned, then yes, I think they would respond more than the average person if treated correctly. Once again, you usually don't have someone who knows the why things work rather than the what they have heard of or read about. The latter is also true of much slave training. Most people seem to think that the cookbook approach works every time for everyone. It doesn't do it very well or deeply without a lot of work by the slave to support her own enslavement. I have found that a few times a year, someone discovers SS and goes, "Ooh, ooh. This is how you do it! This is how you enslave someone." The more I have looked into SS and the psycobiological underpinnings of how it works, the more I know that this is not true. SS produces obedience and identification, not enslavement. It also wears off very quickly without reinforcement...lots of reinforcement. Enslavement also wears off over time without reinforcement, but at a slower (usually) rate. Dwell time or the time it takes something to wear off without reinforcement is a topic for another thread. So...to go back to the question. It really depends on the individual and exactly how they were treated. But mostly, no, I don't think it would make someone who was a slave more susceptible but just the opposite. I think they would resist it better even tho it might appear they gave in to it more quickly than the average mundane person. Be well..... Malkinius 2 Apr 09, 2:40 PM Nemesis_x UK, 2 yrs Y! i think that's somewhat of a romanticized idea. Have you ever seen 'Kill Point'? A similar scenario happens in that. Guys that come out of the army who got no royalties for their service, decide to rob a bank. In doing so they take hostages, 'Mr Wolf' the one 'in charge' of the situation, is so soft and sweet to his hostages, one of them falls for him and is devastated at the prospect of being set free. you should watch it.. its good 2 Apr 09, 4:16 PM Eclectic1 US(ID), 2 yrs There seems to be two ways to gain obedience. 1. Through the use of fear. Effective but the subject cannot be trusted. They will be looking for an opportunity to escape and certainly will never take your back. 2. Through respect and love. Here the subject will be much more trustworthy and if needed will watch your back. They stay because of choice. 3 Apr 09, 7:38 PM 662-935-655 3 yrs A/anybody on here going for a Master's or a Ph.D? That would make one heck of a thesis or dissertation topic! Esp. in Law Enforcement or Criminal Justice, Psychology, Sociology or Cultural Antrhopology. it really truly is a question that would be fascinating for S/someone with the time and resources to look into it. This is a really good question!! Or maybe S/someone, perhaps me, should Google it and see if it's been done! (Tell me S/someone, A/anyone, how did i live before Google?) Actually i saw something that made me think. A certain very conservative Faith, every 28 years does a blessing of the Sun - and they said in their e-mail to me that the last time it was done Reagan was President in the US, the Soviet Union was still a country and expected to continue to be, the WWW and I-net were still mostly being used by academics and the government and PC's were still virtually always sci-fi. Did i really live back then? Geesh! i am an OLDE crone! it is hard to believe i lived in a time before PC's! Now how did i do that? j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! alias "GRANNY" Matrika ye "OLDE" crone, bright blessing! 4 Apr 09, 7:55 PM 373-468-022 US(CO), 21 mths Y! Actually this topic has thesis topic many times, not so much entirely D/s or M/s but relationships. Often not in a positive light. As someone said, Stockholm is captive, not by choice. We are willing "captives". We know the person, and hopefully love them prior to being "captive." Stockholm tends to be more desperation. When a person is near one person, or one person stands out more and develops more of a personal relationship with the captive they look to them for survival. Think of an abused dog, they are loyal because even though the person who should love and protect them doesn't do so, they still provide basic needs to survive. (not always unfortunately) i see a huge difference, but i often see things far different than the norm. (maybe i shouldn't smile since i just called myself abnormal) Just my thoughts, MGs "It's the submissives that show to others what type of Dom owns them." - Anonymous "If you want to kiss the sky, better learn how to kneel." Mysterious Ways- U2 4 Apr 09, 8:11 PM Mistress_Tiara 3 yrs Eclectic1 wrote: There seems to be two ways to gain obedience. 1. Through the use of fear. Effective but the subject cannot be trusted. They will be looking for an opportunity to escape and certainly will never take your back. 2. Through respect and love. Here the subject will be much more trustworthy and if needed will watch your back. They stay because of choice. But obedience does not in any way automatically equal enslavement, so is this the right criteria to assess effectivity by? 4 Apr 09, 8:26 PM 373-468-022 US(CO), 21 mths Y! Obedience by Tanos A great essay by Tanos about Obedience that i felt applies here too. edit for spelling "It's the submissives that show to others what type of Dom owns them." - Anonymous "If you want to kiss the sky, better learn how to kneel." Mysterious Ways- U2 Edited 4 Apr 09, 8:29 PM by 373-468-022 4 Apr 09, 10:40 PM Eclectic1 US(ID), 2 yrs Mistress_Tiara wrote: Eclectic1 wrote: There seems to be two ways to gain obedience. 1. Through the use of fear. Effective but the subject cannot be trusted. They will be looking for an opportunity to escape and certainly will never take your back. 2. Through respect and love. Here the subject will be much more trustworthy and if needed will watch your back. They stay because of choice. But obedience does not in any way automatically equal enslavement, so is this the right criteria to assess effectivity by? Your assessment is correct. Someone in a captive situation could be referred to as enslaved but in a more generic way. I did want to point out the 2 different dimensions involved and stated it poorly. I knew what what I was thinking . 8 Apr 09, 8:10 PM Tanos UK, 12 yrs Y! There used to be an article in Wikipedia about this with the suggestive title of "Capture Bonding". It was subsequently deleted, but the text is still available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hkhenson/Captu... It's an interesting way of using Evolutionary Psychology to look at the Stockholm Syndrome, and it does suggest it might be connected to some forms of relatively willing slavery. Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk www.bridgewood.org.uk www.twitter.com/ukTanos 10 Apr 09, 10:21 AM Malkinius US(IL), 4 yrs Greetings Tanos.... Tanos wrote: There used to be an article in Wikipedia about this with the suggestive title of "Capture Bonding". It was subsequently deleted, but the text is still available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hkhenson/Captu... It's an interesting way of using Evolutionary Psychology to look at the Stockholm Syndrome, and it does suggest it might be connected to some forms of relatively willing slavery. Regards, Tanos Capture bonding seems to be the mechanism by which the Stockholm Syndrome works. It is not the complete answer of course, but my research says that it and the underlying mechanism that drives Capture Bonding is how both the Stockholm Syndrome and enslavement work on a biological basis. Be well.... Malkinius Next page