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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "I'm suprised nobody's mentioned Fritzl." 1 2 3 4 I'm suprised nobody's mentioned Fritzl. (37) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Wed 1 Apr 09, 6:25 PM Freeman UK, 2 yrs I thought that maybe Josef Fritzl was like the big elephant in the room that nobody talks about, but just to get it out of the way: Do you think Josef Fritzl's lifestyle resembled - in it's early years - what a lot of people who live the lifestyle today go through normally. And maybe he just got a bit carried away? Albeit, the crowning difference with this guy is that he had enslaved his own daughter (or daughters, I can't remember.) Given that Fritzl is now going to probably die in prison (or jail as they call it) has anyone who owns a slave ever considered how difficult it would be to put across what the arrangement was between you and your slave if she ever turned rogue. Or does this never happen? 1 Apr 09, 7:02 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Freeman wrote: I'm suprised nobody's mentioned Fritzl. I thought that maybe Josef Fritzl was like the big elephant in the room that nobody talks about, but just to get it out of the way: Do you think Josef Fritzl's lifestyle resembled - in it's early years - what a lot of people who live the lifestyle today go through normally. And maybe he just got a bit carried away? Albeit, the crowning difference with this guy is that he had enslaved his own daughter (or daughters, I can't remember.) Given that Fritzl is now going to probably die in prison (or jail as they call it) has anyone who owns a slave ever considered how difficult it would be to put across what the arrangement was between you and your slave if she ever turned rogue. Or does this never happen? This post has nothing to do with Practical IE and is therefore on the wrong board. I would further suggest that it belongs in Off Topic as Fritzl's crimes such kidnapping, rape, torture, incest, murder, and goodness knows what else, have nothing to do with M/s or D/s, as as they were not consentual. The 'crowning difference' is not simply 'that he enslaved his own daughter(s)' though that is bad enough, it's that what he did was enforced, brutal, and evil. To draw parallels between kidnapping and forcibly incarcerating your own daughter in a cramped cellar for 24 years, raping her an estimated 3000 + times, and forcing her to bear your children, then leaving one of those children to die, and a consensual loving power exchange relationship is very offensive to anyone in a power exchange relationship. So in answer to your quite extraordinary question, no - I do not think he 'just got a bit carried away'. Edited 1 Apr 09, 7:05 PM by Mistress_Tiara 1 Apr 09, 7:10 PM Daniel SE, 3 yrs I don't think people around here identify with Fritzl at all, nor do they/we feel that there's even a distant similarity to M/s-relationships. The difference is CONSENT; something Fritzl apparantly didn't even remotely consider. So, no. It's not a thing noone dares to mention. I think most people feelit's just not relevant to this board. ~Still going wrong~ 1 Apr 09, 9:23 PM Freeman UK, 2 yrs I know the difference is "CONSENT" but anyone could make a crack addict to CONSENT to anything if you wave a bag of crack in front of her. My point is, is that how do you know that what some people are doing with regards to the lifestyle is not insidiously heading towards what Josef Fritzl did? Put it this way "Mistress_Tiara" - If your "Boy" decided to change his mind about your little lifestyle and rang the bizzers; that's more or less it for you. All paraphilias need to be kept in check. Edited 1 Apr 09, 9:26 PM by Freeman 1 Apr 09, 9:52 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Freeman wrote: I know the difference is "CONSENT" but anyone could make a crack addict to CONSENT to anything if you wave a bag of crack in front of her. And what the hell does that have to do with non coercive power exchange relationships? Freeman wrote: My point is, is that how do you know that what some people are doing with regards to the lifestyle is not insidiously heading towards what Josef Fritzl did? Of course anyone could be doing anything. But do you check if your vanilla neighbours are raping their kids on the grounds that they have sex? Why would you register on a site dedicated to power exchange relationships if you think so badly of them? Unless of course you are trolling. I certainly hope you are trolling, it's the nicer option. Freeman wrote: Put it this way "Mistress_Tiara" - If your "Boy" decided to change his mind about your little lifestyle and rang the bizzers; that's more or less it for you. Perhaps, though as he's not been coerced, not unhinged, and not in danger I find it an unlikely scenario. I assume this is in some way linked to your comments about 'rogue slaves' in your original post, as I simply fail to see why anyone with even the slightest bit of idea about M/s would say these things on a board about power exchange. What next? Shall we have a conversation about Hitler? Stalin perhaps? Or maybe Rose West? Elizabeth Bathory, was a bit of a goer. Oooooh, I know - Jack the Ripper! Perhaps they were all simply misunderstood uber-doms whose slaves went 'rogue' too. Or maybe their kinks got the better of them because they didn't have safe words. Silly me for thinking that those here in M/s (whose numbers are diminishing by the day incidentally as a result of this kind of stuff), may be sane, rational, safe adults, in loving established relationships. Freeman wrote: All paraphilias need to be kept in check. And so do inane, offensive, ill informed comments. Edited 1 Apr 09, 10:04 PM by Mistress_Tiara 1 Apr 09, 10:08 PM LillyMoon UK, 6 yrs Freeman wrote: .... Put it this way "Mistress_Tiara" - If your "Boy" decided to change his mind about your little lifestyle and rang the bizzers; that's more or less it for you. I don't see how it is the same in any way. If Mistress Tiara's boy, or mine for that matter, left and went to the police it would not be as you put it "more or less it" for us. First off, they are with us by choice and the very fact that they could leave proves that...Fritzl's daughter had no such choice, or chance. All paraphilias need to be kept in check. That is a rather sweeping statement from someone on a site like this isn't it? Many do need dealt with, I have no doubt...some I personally find abhorrent. However,some are only mildly "perverted" like sadism, or masochism, or Stigmatophilia (liking tattoos or piercing), or really kinky things like Mammaphilia (sick people who like looking at or touching woman's breasts). Heck it is not that long ago the the ultimate in sick paraphilia was Homosexuality...now not only legal but acceptable. Things to do with children, animals, or non consent should be stamped out...but to say all non "normal" things should stopped is a little naive and unrealistic, as many paraphilias are "normal" only sounding sick if given a long scientific name. 1 Apr 09, 10:25 PM Freeman UK, 2 yrs Yes, but this is half of my point. In the good old days when society wasn't breaking down all around us, homosexuality was a sin, and it should still be. But now, it is more open. But I don't have to accept it. There is a right and a wrong, and I feel that homosexuality is not only wrong but an abomination. These people should not be allowed to raise children, but they are doing, and it's wrong. But it's the thin end of the wedge, homosexuals a hundred years ago were hung if they got court in the act. Once people have their freedoms, they need to know what to do with them. Criminals want the freedom to commit crimes, hippies want the freedom to do fuck-all all day, as do a lot of women, Ds want the freedom to lock people up and Homosexuals now have the freedom to spread deseases and fuck each other. And they teach this shit in our primary schools now to our children. We have gay adaptations of shakespeare plays callaed things like "Romeo and Julian." This planet is fucked. But paraphilias are spreading at a quick rate because of the internet. If someone had a paraphilia; twenty years ago they would have kept it under wraps no doubt. But nowadays, all they have to do is google what their fix is and quickly find out that they are NOT ALONE. And they do this at a very early age. A mate of mine who lives in Longridge caught his ten year old son looking at insex that he got off donkey. So what's he supposed to do? Homosexuality is now more or less mainstream. Were lucky this shitty government doesn't make it mandatory. But what's next. Things like what Fritzl did was insidious; It creeps up on people. As for "Mistress_Tiara's" Hitler crap. Thats tipical forumite bullshit and I've heard it a thousand times. [Sorry, go and take it out on your "boy."] This website is about a paraphilia, and it needs to be kept in check. How many people do you think log in here everyday to wank over someone's story of how his wife does the dishes with eleven inches of movement between her wrists and a plug in here arse. Beleive it or not, that's a paraphilia. Fritzl might have thought that what he was doing was "kinky." Edited 1 Apr 09, 10:36 PM by Freeman 1 Apr 09, 10:36 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Freeman wrote: Yes, but this is half of my point. In the good old days when society wasn't breaking down all around us, homosexuality was a sin, and it should still be. But now, it is more open. But I don't have to accept it. There is a right and a wrong, and I feel that homosexuality is not only wrong but an abomination. These people should not be allowed to raise children, but they are doing, and it's wrong. But it's the thin end of the wedge, homosexuals a hundred years ago were hung if they got court in the act. Once people have their freedoms, they need to know what to do with them. Criminals want the freedom to commit crimes, hippies want the freedom to do fuck-all all day, as do a lot of women, Ds want the freedom to lock people up. But paraphilias are spreading at a quick rate because of the internet. If someone had a paraphilia; twenty years ago they would have kept it under wraps no doubt. But nowadays, all they have to do is google what their fix is and quickly find out that they are NOT ALOWN. Homosexuality is now more or less mainstream. Were lucky this shitty government doesn't make it mandatory. But what's next. Things like what Fritzl did was insidious. It creeps up on people. As for "Mistress_Tiara's" Hitler Bullshit. Thats tipical forumite bullshit and I've heard it a thousand times. This website is about a paraphilia, and it need to be kept in check. How many people do you think log in here everyday to wank over someone's story of how is wife does the dishes with eleven inches of movement between her wrists and a plug in here arse. Beleive it or not, that's a paraphilia. And I am sure you are 'NOT ALOWN' in your thoughts. Perhaps therefore you would like to find some more like minded people to talk to? You know, ones who are not 'abonminable' homosexuals (possibly even ones with kids - the horror), hippies, women, or kinky. Actually as you registered here, perhaps you have a paraphilia for trolling - you should really get that checked. Edited to add: I see you have changed your post significantly since I replied. Howver I can't be bothered to respond any more to this hate filled troll nonsense. I'm off to snuggle my boy now. Edited 1 Apr 09, 10:39 PM by Mistress_Tiara 1 Apr 09, 10:39 PM Freeman UK, 2 yrs How can you call someone a troll in a thread that they started? And a little more forum typicality; if you can't argue, call 'em a troll. Yeah nice one. 1 Apr 09, 11:53 PM Sir4Ryco 5 yrs Hi All, I say we keep Freeman. He's amusing and perhaps he might work out a bit of his personal fears that a big man might grab his cock in a public bathroom. It appears that not only does he have homo-erotic worries but he's also stupid . . . the legal system of most free Western nations hold that the use of drugs to gain sex 'is' coercion (so holding out a bag of drugs to an addict does not constitute consent). Freeman, your hillbilly logic had me looking for the beer jug and pretzels. Sir4Ryco Edited 1 Apr 09, 11:55 PM by Sir4Ryco 1 Apr 09, 11:56 PM M_Shea US(CA), 2 yrs Quite honestly, I wasn't convinced that you were a troll until Freeman wrote: Yes, but this is half of my point. In the good old days when society wasn't breaking down all around us, homosexuality was a sin, and it should still be. But now, it is more open. But I don't have to accept it. Yup, troll. You don't have to accept it, nobody has to accept you. This rest was more drivel and BS, w/ Freeman wrote: /snip These people should not be allowed to raise children, but they are doing, and it's wrong. /snip Criminals want the freedom to commit crimes, hippies want the freedom to do fuck-all all day, as do a lot of women, Ds want the freedom to lock people up and Homosexuals now have the freedom to spread deseases and fuck each other. And they teach this shit in our primary schools now to our children. /snip Homosexuality is now more or less mainstream. Were lucky this shitty government doesn't make it mandatory. /snip Fritzl might have thought that what he was doing was "kinky." taking the cake. Just, just, wow. Freeman wrote: As for "Mistress_Tiara's" Hitler crap. Thats tipical forumite bullshit and I've heard it a thousand times. She was mocking you. Mocking? You know? Mockery? It's what everyone you know is doubtlessly doing to you every day of your life. Or was there another reason you are so full of blind bitterness and hatred? Freeman wrote: How can you call someone a troll in a thread that they started? Don't you know what a troll is? You can troll w/o necessarily threadjacking, all you have to do is deliberately try to piss ppl off. Which seems to have been your aim. Fine, fine, I'm done feeding the troll. Enjoy your bridge, watch out for goats, etc etc. Next page