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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "." 1 2 . (17) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Sun 22 Mar 09, 4:29 PM tangie 9 yrs . Edited Sat 17 Oct 09, 7:32 AM by tangie 22 Mar 09, 7:48 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs tangie wrote: So my questions are these: 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? MacCain collared me with the understanding i am his until he no longer wants me. There are no periodic reviews or contracts in this relationship. Frankly, i wouldn't want to serve someone who doesn't want me... so it works on a few levels. It motivates me to do my best to please him always. i know MacCain has no reason to lie to me and tell me things are fine if they aren't... he is under no obligation to keep me. i can not leave, unless he releases me which keeps me from stomping off in a huff because things don't go the way i'd like. Instead i have learned to just accept whatever MacCain likes and i don't fight it. i believe because of the brutal honesty that is our relationship, this will be a life coupling. tangie wrote: 2) Do those who tend to want enslavement lean more toward permanence right off? Or does the fore-knowledge that one might be released at any given time deepen the feeling of enslavement? Again, i knew MacCain for a very long time prior to him suggesting that we have a relationship, so i'm probably not the norm. MacCain didn't have a hard time selling me on the idea of enslavement, i already trusted him with every bit of me. If i thought that in a year he would release me i would not have been able to let my guard down enough to be enslaved. But i knew him, and knew him very well... i know he doesn't just walk away from relationships, so it was easy for me to trust him. Though i know he could release me at anytime, i know he wouldn't unless he really thought it would be in our best interests. This allows me to completely surrender to him. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 22 Mar 09, 8:13 PM shedragon US(VA), 4 yrs Y! tangie wrote: 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? I have no interest in a relationship that is not intended to be permanent. Like you, I believe that the stage of my life has something to do with it. 2) Do those who tend to want enslavement lean more toward permanence right off? Or does the fore-knowledge that one might be released at any given time deepen the feeling of enslavement? If I felt I could be released at any moment, it would do just the opposite. Knowing the relationship might end would feed my insecurities, and would keep me from fully trusting my owner. How could I consciously allow myself to build my world around a man who would leave the relationship whenever he felt like it? Without trust, my "enslavement" would be cursory at best. Only when you have lost everything are you free to do anything. 22 Mar 09, 9:54 PM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs tangie wrote: 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? I go into relationships now where I understand that relationships and people change over time. There might, in any relationship, be such a shift where one or both of the partners no longer find it fulfilling or even healthy. At that point, the relationship SHOULD end, in my opinion. It has nothing to do with contracts, nothing to to with Ms and nothing to do with professions of undying love/devotion. It just is. My girl petitioned for a lifetime collar. But, what this means to us is that, should the Ms portion of our relationship end, we are still bonded as family. It doesn't mean that we expect the collar to continue forever...but is also doesn't mean we expect it to end. It just is. Master Fire **The power of who we are can be intoxicating.** **The power of who we could be is humbling.** **Yet, we are assured we are exactly as we should be.** 22 Mar 09, 10:27 PM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs tangie wrote: Permanence in the 24/7 M/s relationship 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? I am not interested in casual intimate relationships. I never have been because I never have been good at them. I put too much into a relationship to consider them disposable. I have been divorced twice so I do know unexpected issues that can not surmounted can and may arise, but I don't plan on them. I expect and work for success. If failure occurs I have the solace to know I did my best. nebulina doesn't live with the idea she could be released at any moment. W/we both hold that the O/other is stuck with U/us for life. Not right or wrong, just O/our way. Selah. There is no authority, only responsibility. 23 Mar 09, 5:28 AM JRCs_petk HK, 4 yrs Y! masterfiremaam wrote: " should the Ms portion of our relationship end, we are still bonded as family. It doesn't mean that we expect the collar to continue forever...but is also doesn't mean we expect it to end. It just is. Master Fire Masterfire's comment regarding longevity regardless of Ms status struck a chord with John and I. John and I entered life together with the aim of permanence in the Ms sense, it was an inherent need that we shared. We took our time, ensuring that we both understood the enormity of my agreement to serve John. There was no escape clause, it was a final decision. What we didn't count on was a bond (love) forming that would outlive any Ms element of our relationship! The easiest way for me to describe it is that if I were to choose between John or Ms, there would be no contest. I am his, forever, in whatever form that may take. 25 Mar 09, 12:45 AM 930-197-747 US(ME), 4 yrs Y! p, I guess you don't have to answer my question about how you completely surrendered. Thanks for giving a clearer picture of your relationship with you Master. You have freedom when you're easy in your harness. ~Robert Frost Edited 25 Mar 09, 12:50 AM by 930-197-747 25 Mar 09, 12:54 AM 930-197-747 US(ME), 4 yrs Y! I have a question about this issue. Are there any M/s relationships here that are not cross-gender? I'm transgender and would never think of starting a love relationship as the basis for one in which there is a full-time power exchange. You have freedom when you're easy in your harness. ~Robert Frost 25 Mar 09, 12:39 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs 930-197-747 wrote: p, I guess you don't have to answer my question about how you completely surrendered. Thanks for giving a clearer picture of your relationship with you Master. i'm sorry... what question are you referring to? i don't see it on this thread. Was it on another thread? Feel free to memo me if you have questions i have inadvertently overlooked. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 25 Mar 09, 1:02 PM slave_tits US, 5 yrs Y! tangie wrote: Permanence in the 24/7 M/s relationship Before I met William, one of the qualities I looked for in an M/s relationship was permanence. When he and I met and began serious talks, I asked him whether he was looking for a long term life-partnership rather than one that could come up for analysis on some regular basis. I knew that to be bonded with him would take time. As an older woman, I had so many layers of self that to get trough to the basic "me" would require years, not months. I think being older also caused me to realize I didn't have time left in my life to spend with someone who didn't know what he wanted. I've been thinking all along that if I were in my 20's, it might have been otherwise. I might have been able to enter a relationship where the dominant always kept me "on my toes," so to speak, but I'm not so sure of that anymore. For the most part, my assumptions have been that of course, people don't go into a relationship with the intention that it should fail. But a slave in a total ownership relationship, as I've come to understand it, would not necessarily be concerned today that the dynamic might end tomorrow. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the validity of contracts in general--that's been discussed ad nauseum. Also, I'm also not talking about marriage in a M/s relationship. So my questions are these: 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? 2) Do those who tend to want enslavement lean more toward permanence right off? Or does the fore-knowledge that one might be released at any given time deepen the feeling of enslavement? Barbara i am owned by a Master who has a history of trading off girls eventually when He tires of them. So i have no illusions about the permanence of my collar. For me...it just inspires me to be the most pleasing i can, to keep his interest. just a trained slave who knows what she is good for. 25 Mar 09, 6:09 PM 000-719-381 US(TX), 10 yrs Y! 'tis possible that great minds think alike (or sister slaves are telepathic) . . . just a few hours ago this slut, in an email to a friend who is a Master - mentor of sorts (not this slut's Master), posed the question: "can enslavement be permanent, meaning unending or life-long?" and now this question is posted here: tangie wrote: Permanence in the 24/7 M/s relationship 1) For those in or seeking M/s relationships, were/are you ok with a relationship that might end at a given period of time? For example, a yearly contract that states your services may be ended if the dominant decides. Or did you go into your relationship with the expectation of having a life partnership? this slut, currently unowned and never in a "permanent" 24/7 M/s relationship for more than 6 - 8 months, but searching for a truly permanent enslavement, hopes and expects that such enslavement be entered into with the hope and expectation of permanence -- i.e., untermed, as long as its Owner desires -- with the realistic acknowledgement that before permanence can be achieved that there is a trial or conditional period to assess compatibility and suitability. Such period would not have a definite duration (6 months, 12 months?), but once this slut had surrenderd to enslavement/Ownership and been collared or otherwise designated as "owned slave" it would be that, irrevocably, indefinitely, "permanently." tangie wrote: 2) Do those who tend to want enslavement lean more toward permanence right off? Or does the fore-knowledge that one might be released at any given time deepen the feeling of enslavement? Such permanence comes from evolution and through a process of building trust and depening committment over time. (This is particularly so if there has not been any prior relationship between Owner and slave before initiation of the M/s dynamic.) This said, the knowlege that a slave is an object subject to its Owner's disposal at any time despite the ideal of permanence does "deepen" its appreciation of it being only an owned object,or "just" a slave. respectfully submitted 000-719-381 slut phylassia Next page