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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "If society was different....?" 1 2 3 4 5 6 If society was different....? (55) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Thu 5 Feb 09, 12:44 PM Mistress_Tiaras_boy 5 yrs Generally speaking, it would appear that society has negative views regarding M/s and D/s lifestyles and BDSM practices. It would be interesting to know how accurate such an assumption actually is, or if it is more specifically a viewpoint created by various sources eg governments, establishments, social service departments, some religions and by media fed sources such as newspapers, television, magazines, internet, etc. For the sake of discussion, i would like us to consider it as being accurate that we are considered in a negative manner. Many of us for various reasons choose to keep our lifestyle secret, to greater or lesser degrees due to for example social pressure (direct/indirect), children, family, work/career, fear and persecution etc. i recognise there are some people who are totally out but i suspect this is the minority. My first question is this : If society was acceptable of our lifestyle, would you openly live your lifestyle and allow it to be 'visible' to the outside world. i am not referring to doing acts in public which would be illegal , merely those which befit the M/s and D/s lifestyle. Examples such as , deferring to Owner in obvious manner, collar and lead wearing, sitting at Owners feet, not attempting to hide what and who you are etc. Secondly, If you could be totally 'out' and accepted, would it in any way whatsoever negatively alter your enjoyment of your M/s or D/s relationship. ie would it make it feel less special. I look forward to your views. Best wishes n. Mistress Tiara's beloved boy. 5 Feb 09, 1:17 PM Andrin DE, 3 yrs Mistress_Tiaras_boy wrote: If society was acceptable of our lifestyle, would you openly live your lifestyle and allow it to be 'visible' to the outside world. i am not referring to doing acts in public which would be illegal , merely those which befit the M/s and D/s lifestyle. Examples such as , deferring to Owner in obvious manner, collar and lead wearing, sitting at Owners feet, not attempting to hide what and who you are etc. Devinitely yes. When I was young being gay made me an outsider, shunned and looked down on by many. I had to fight for my position. Today, at least in Central Europe, nobody cares. Everybody knows I am gay and it is generally accepted. I am staff representative, I have a managing position and my sexual orientation is no issue of interest. But it took about 40 years to reach this status. I assume that a similar period is needed to achieve a general acceptance of the M/s lifestyle. But it certainly can be achieved. And I don't like to waste time and energy for building and maintaining a façade. Mistress_Tiaras_boy wrote: If you could be totally 'out' and accepted, would it in any way whatsoever negatively alter your enjoyment of your M/s or D/s relationship. ie would it make it feel less special. No, not at all. I don't long to be special with any features of mine. I'd rather be just accepted the way I am. Occasionally (vanilla) friends ask about what it's like to fist or whip a guy, and then I try to explain. But I don't think that it changes our friendship. And I sure wish it would be just the same with the general member of the public. Andrin In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him. Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. 5 Feb 09, 3:39 PM 902-660-194 US(PA), 6 yrs simple... #1 YES!! #2 nope, would make it better for me, i hate secrets. also, my collar is super comfy & i would LOVE to wear it 24/7 ~peace the sting of His whip~ the welts from His crop~ the warmth of His kiss~ the click of the lock~ assures me i am His most cherished possession.. ~touching my soul in all the wrong places~ 5 Feb 09, 5:09 PM 741-498-880 4 yrs 902-660-194 wrote: simple... #1 YES!! #2 nope, would make it better for me, i hate secrets. also, my collar is super comfy & i would LOVE to wear it 24/7 ~peace Yep... this is my answer too.. I WISH I could be out, and honest in every situation with out having to conciously watch what I say so I don't slip and say "Master or Owner in the wrong company"..... 5 Feb 09, 6:11 PM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! My first question is this : If society was acceptable of our lifestyle, would you openly live your lifestyle and allow it to be 'visible' to the outside world. i am not referring to doing acts in public which would be illegal , merely those which befit the M/s and D/s lifestyle. Examples such as , deferring to Owner in obvious manner, collar and lead wearing, sitting at Owners feet, not attempting to hide what and who you are etc. Yes i feel W/we would be more open about it. W/we do have a few friends that know of our lifestyle and thats been a recent event of ours. So around them it makes it much easier. for me as they have accepted it really well. Its nice being able to be ourselves around them now. Secondly, If you could be totally 'out' and accepted, would it in any way whatsoever negatively alter your enjoyment of your M/s or D/s relationship. ie would it make it feel less special. i dont feel it would take away from anything for U/us. In fact i think it would make it that much better. Accepted ot now i was "out" before i moved to be with Master. Some didnt understand however i refuse to try and hide it completely. [/quote] 5 Feb 09, 9:18 PM Andrin DE, 3 yrs Mistress_Tiaras_boy wrote: If society was different....? ... Which triggers the question "What can we do to improve our image in society?" The internet is a comfortable place where we found our nest (Thank you Tanos!!). We advice and give comfort to each other. Great. But are we happy with that? Or should we indeed do something to find a better understanding of our lifestyle in the general public. This site is open for guests. When someone completely unaware stumbles into this place and payes a little attention he would notice we are not that weird as he might have thought. The yellow press has always liked us. But what about serious publications? OK, recently we had the paper on 24/7 SM slavery, so we saw science has discovered us. Politicians certainly will change the side of the street if we were walking along holding our slaves at the leash. The majority still will mark us being sick. So it still is a million miles to go until a slave can go shopping and the clerk at the bakery would compliment "Oh miss x, that red dress matches so well with your collar. Much better than the grey one you wore yesterday." What can we do to get there? Andrin In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him. 5 Feb 09, 9:37 PM 483-608-929 US(OH), 4 yrs Mistress_Tiaras_boy wrote: If society was different....? If society was acceptable of our lifestyle, would you openly live your lifestyle and allow it to be 'visible' to the outside world. I am a private person and prefer to keep things private. I would not like others knowing my business and would not make it public. I enjoy this part of my life very much but it's not something I would choose to share with the world. Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 5 Feb 09, 9:53 PM PuppyClaire UK, 3 yrs Andrin wrote: Mistress_Tiaras_boy wrote: If society was different....? ... This site is open for guests. When someone completely unaware stumbles into this place and payes a little attention he would notice we are not that weird as he might have thought. The yellow press has always liked us. But what about serious publications? OK, recently we had the paper on 24/7 SM slavery, so we saw science has discovered us. Politicians certainly will change the side of the street if we were walking along holding our slaves at the leash. The majority still will mark us being sick. Andrin Andrin, you missed off the most important one of all....our families. I haven't even begun to figure out if I can ever be honest with my family. It's not that they're bad people, they're not. I also know they wouldn't disown me, but I just have this sinking feeling in my stomach that they'd be disappointed in me and I think that would be a harder thing to deal with than anything. If I knew that I would keep my job and that my family wouldn't be disappointed I wouldn't care much about anyone else and I wouldn't want to hide anything. Claire Edited 5 Feb 09, 9:54 PM by PuppyClaire 5 Feb 09, 10:24 PM mokvohk US(WA), 7 yrs Y! n - i dream of a world like you describe. In past relationships, i have been fortunate enough to be able to be largely open about things (though still discrete) with family and friends, and that is how i feel most comfortable, i've found. i would certainly embrace such a shift towards more openness about my lifestyle in-general. i suspect if anything my enjoyment would remain as it is or increase, simply by removing a stressor. As it stands, i've been looking into emigration into Holland or the Czech Republic (and the O.W.K.), <chuckling> - mok Andrin - You nailed what i was thinking as i read this thread's title . . . . i have few viable ideas, just now, but i have been thinking on it for some time . . . am bound to stumble onto an ad-campaign i could adopt . . . Till then, it strikes me that the best way for us (the community) to help our own image is to flaunt it, those of us who may . . . and allow our peers to see those brave representatives (those who aren't torn apart by mobs) for the loving people they are. i believe it was largely this, people consistently having a homosexual within their vision and those homosexuals being protected by the courts that eventually allowed society to develop some tolerance and understanding of them. That's just a theory, though . . . i wasn't there for absolutely all of it . . . Please let me know what Your thoughts may be =] my submission is a gift, granted out of love. Edited 5 Feb 09, 10:42 PM by mokvohk 5 Feb 09, 10:26 PM Sklavos_mou_Kyriah 3 yrs Society is a bit more tolerant than it once was. I reached my adolescence/sexual maturity in the mid 1950s. Anything non-vanilla in the UK at that time was considered deviant/unhealthy behaviour and was by definition regarded as, and treated as, mental illness. So, when I realised I had a liking for submission and bondage I kept quiet about it. It is only in recent years I have managed to be brave enough to admit to being like this at all. Nowadays I find a little common sense is called for. There is still some prejudice out there. I don't hide my collar deliberately. If I am wearing an open-necked shirt, which is the usual, then it is plain for all to see. Those in the know are aware of what it means and respect that. To those that don't know, it is a jewellery item. Society has moved on from those days in the 1950s. At least men can wear jewellery now. But I think society still has a long way to go. To be a true slave is to be truly free Slave/Sklavos 5 Feb 09, 10:37 PM FeistyPuppy US(CA), 3 yrs i would, definitely! i only wear my collar in a private setting, but in public as it is, no, and Master does not allow it as he does not want me to get weird looks or be questioned as to why i am wearing a collar. Although I think i could manage that situation by saying i am experimenting with goth fashions. Good girl...sometimes. Next page