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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "The slave whisperer?" 1 2 3 4 The slave whisperer? (40) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Mon 26 Jan 09, 12:24 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs MacCain has me studying about dogs training methods, so that when he gets a dog it will be trained properly. As i read about different conditionings, i see parallels in the psychology behind them and human D/s. Though there is no dog in the household presently my new favorite show has become the "Dog Whisperer" because Caesar trains dogs by use of D/s methods... getting dogs in a calm submissive state. If you haven't seen the show, it is a good time. Anyway, it occurs to me that once a dog's behaviors are changed to be acceptable the "training" stops. For instance if a dog jumps, it is trained to stop jumping. Unless the dog slips up and starts jumping again there is nothing to correct. With humans however, if "training" stops the s-type may start to doubt his/her place. So essentially training can't ever stop. MacCain deals with this by keeping the dynamic fluid... the rules are subject to change at any moment as he chooses. Thereby, always keeping "training" active. i am curious how others treat training when the s-type does all of the desired behaviors without the need for constant reinforcement, and discipline. i'd love to see if the responses are vastly different from our experience. Also i'm interested in seeing if the view is different depending on if you are an M-type or s-type. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 26 Jan 09, 12:47 PM boston UK, 12 yrs Sadly I have to strongly disagree about the tv antics of Cesar Milan. Behind the scenes electric shock treatment to get that "miracle cure" and enforced over the top exercise sessions just before shows are just two of the reasons I would never under any circumstances advocate his methods. I don't train negatively with dogs - if you don't want a behaviour like jumping up you just train an alternative behaviour instead. People who come to me say "I want him to stop **** " I always ask what they want him to do instead and and then they train that positively - problem solved Rant over Edited 26 Jan 09, 12:49 PM by boston 26 Jan 09, 12:51 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs <laughs> I was wondering how to hide this from you b! <grins> anjuli *** “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” Anais Nin *** 26 Jan 09, 1:04 PM boston UK, 12 yrs *grins ruefully* What M's do with their slaves is entirely up to them but dogs are the innocent party in all these things - if people are interested they should research the methods that work best not some media hyped trickery - dog whisperer my arse ... Maybe the UK folks remember that advert showing a dog standing and shaking and shivering looking at the floor and another in the car apparently singing? Made in the USA and removed from british tv following our complaints as the shivering dog was subjected to random shocks on a shock plate to produce that effect, just for a tv ad ... OK the rant wasnt over ... but will now bow out of this thread entirely. b^ 26 Jan 09, 1:07 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Huh. i had never heard that Caesar used shock treatments, but the question was about human training, not Caesar's methods. As his books are so heavily recomended by breeders it would surprises me to know that he uses that approach. Something i'll look into for sure, but in the mean time, i wonder what approaches the M-types use with thier s-types in keeping them in the submissive state once they behave correctly. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 26 Jan 09, 1:50 PM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: The slave whisperer? i am curious how others treat training when the s-type does all of the desired behaviors without the need for constant reinforcement, and discipline. i'd love to see if the responses are vastly different from our experience. Also i'm interested in seeing if the view is different depending on if you are an M-type or s-type. p Perhaps we aren't as far along as others, or maybe my business training bleeds over like MT's does, but we have short and long term goals. As one set of goals are met others become visible, viable and are set. I really can't say what would happen if we ran out of goals? OK, now I have a whole new set of contingency plans to develop... thanks p.... Selah There is no authority, only responsibility. 26 Jan 09, 2:32 PM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! property_of_MacCain wrote: The slave whisperer? MacCain has me studying about dogs training methods, so that when he gets a dog it will be trained properly. As i read about different conditionings, i see parallels in the psychology behind them and human D/s. Though there is no dog in the household presently my new favorite show has become the "Dog Whisperer" because Caesar trains dogs by use of D/s methods... getting dogs in a calm submissive state. If you haven't seen the show, it is a good time. Anyway, it occurs to me that once a dog's behaviors are changed to be acceptable the "training" stops. For instance if a dog jumps, it is trained to stop jumping. Unless the dog slips up and starts jumping again there is nothing to correct. With humans however, if "training" stops the s-type may start to doubt his/her place. So essentially training can't ever stop. MacCain deals with this by keeping the dynamic fluid... the rules are subject to change at any moment as he chooses. Thereby, always keeping "training" active. i am curious how others treat training when the s-type does all of the desired behaviors without the need for constant reinforcement, and discipline. i'd love to see if the responses are vastly different from our experience. Also i'm interested in seeing if the view is different depending on if you are an M-type or s-type. p For the most part i feel that i have most things down pat that Master asks/ requires of me. However things do constantly change and he does add things. As far as constant reinforcement and discipline, if there is a slip up or if Master feels i'm forgetting my place he handles it differently depending on the severity of it. One way is by having me wear my cuffs to help remind me of who i am and why i'm here with Him. He has only done this a few times but it helped me center myself back to where i needed to be. Twice when i was really out of wrack becasue of outside stresses a good whipping was used to being me back to where i belonged mentally. During those times he also tends to up my chores and responsabilities, i think its His way of redirecting my thoughts and helps reground me. At this time i am not required to do daily meditation/ reflections but have been told that if i feel this needs to change at anytime i may ask for a change of that making it something we incorporate into something i am to do daily. As a whole we are fairly laid back and we dont do hardly any ritualistic things on a daily basis, this works for us but i am aware that can change at anytime. 26 Jan 09, 3:01 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Master_Odin wrote: OK, now I have a whole new set of contingency plans to develop... thanks p.... Odin, Please pass my condolences on to nebulina *grin*. Actually, your response doesn't surprise me. It seems those comfortable in the M/s role would be those that have new goals set. That way the s-type doesn't fall out of that mindset. jjsslave, When you refer to slipping up and needing reinforcement, do you feel you slip up because the reins had been loosened? i'm interested in what triggered the infraction. i find that if i become to familiar with my role... if i have it down pat, so to speak, i panic. i'm afraid that if MacCain isn't correcting something, even if i know i haven't done anything wrong, that i'm not submitting to anything. i wonder if seemingly lieniency is what triggers this for you as well? p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 26 Jan 09, 4:06 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: With humans however, if "training" stops the s-type may start to doubt his/her place. So essentially training can't ever stop. MacCain deals with this by keeping the dynamic fluid... the rules are subject to change at any moment as he chooses. Thereby, always keeping "training" active. And... i find that if i become to familiar with my role... if i have it down pat, so to speak, i panic. i'm afraid that if MacCain isn't correcting something, even if i know i haven't done anything wrong, that i'm not submitting to anything. Two ideas come to my mind here. The first is that a necessity for continual training would be brought about by the inconstancy of rules rather than the other way round. The second it that you may be speaking of 2 separate needs in your relationship, one being a framework of submission in your life and the other being to experience the controlling actions in and of themselves on a regular basis. I know I'm second guessing you, but my impression from your writing is that there is little ambiguity for you re: MacCain's desires/commitment and therefore any doubt of or forgetting your place in the relationship seems unlikely. But it does make sense to me that the actual demonstration of control could be in some way similar to a person's need to be told they are loved even though logically, they know that they are. That and the fact that C always tells me if he were a less bossy person, I would miss it. Camille 26 Jan 09, 4:37 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Camille wrote: But it does make sense to me that the actual demonstration of control could be in some way similar to a person's need to be told they are loved even though logically, they know that they are. That is it in a nutshell (for me anyway). It was a natural progression that he began to change things up periodically. He had noticed that i started questioning things the more comfortable i was. i'd freak out because everything was fine. He no longer was "correcting" anything. Like your "love" comparison, i wasn't "hearing" that there was a power exchange, as he no longer had to reinforce things...so although rationally i knew i had done nothing wrong, i began to doubt things. Now he is tuned in enough to see the warning signs that i'm coming close to that point...and adjust things as necessary. That is the angle that has worked for us... keeping things from going stagnant... Although routine can be very comforting, too much of a good thing can lead to disaster. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 26 Jan 09, 7:06 PM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! property_of_MacCain wrote: Master_Odin wrote: OK, now I have a whole new set of contingency plans to develop... thanks p.... Odin, Please pass my condolences on to nebulina *grin*. Actually, your response doesn't surprise me. It seems those comfortable in the M/s role would be those that have new goals set. That way the s-type doesn't fall out of that mindset. jjsslave, When you refer to slipping up and needing reinforcement, do you feel you slip up because the reins had been loosened? i'm interested in what triggered the infraction. i find that if i become to familiar with my role... if i have it down pat, so to speak, i panic. i'm afraid that if MacCain isn't correcting something, even if i know i haven't done anything wrong, that i'm not submitting to anything. i wonder if seemingly lieniency is what triggers this for you as well? p Most of the time when i slip us its because of my own inner stresses going on. i seem to let myself get upset over things that are just not important ( or it seems that way) and then i tend to be forgetful or absent minded about getting certain things done. Master alwasy keeps a close eye on how i do things, more to make sure i'm staying on track i think than anything. Its not that the reins have been loosened its just how i'm reacting to things in life. For example, in the fall of last year i was told by my doctors that i wont be going back to work and needed to file for social security disability. That had me soo stressed out that i completely lost focus on everything, Master only let it go so far then pulled me back in to where i should have been. He realizes how devistating to me it was to have to file and that it really made me feel completely worthless. My mind was so focused on that issue that i was messing everything up and couldnt concentrate on anything. i tend to do better if i am familiar with things and do find change difficult, but ive been working hard on that because ive had to do a lot of adapting to change over the past year. Now its not so much that i welcome change but i have learned to cope with it better. Master dosnt have to correct me all that often and i'm fine with that, i like the fact that hes happy with me and how i handle things for the most part. i realize that i'm submitting to him everyday just by taking care of him and the house and He couldnt be happier. It made me feel really good the other day when i overheard Him telling one of his friends on the phone that He loves coming home and me having dinner on the table and everything ready for him. Even those types of things i take as a kind of praise, i know that i must be doing something right for him to be telling others about it. From the time i wake up to the time i go to sleep at night, my life is about submitting to Him, there dosent alwasy have to be praise or correction there to reinforce it. As far as lieniency goes i realize he gives me quite a bit of it but ive been told that i wouldnt have it if i hadnt earned it and that it can be taken away at any time he wishes. i hope this answers your questions if not let me know and i will try to further explain it. Next page