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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Service Conditioning" 1 2 Service Conditioning (13) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Sat 17 Jan 09, 1:52 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs i've noticed that over the past year, though MacCain verbally asks less of me, i provide much more service than i did at the outset of O/our relationship. Much of what i do i've been conditioned to do over the months by reinforcement. For example, MacCain used to call whe He was on His way home to ask that certain things be ready for Him. i began seeing a pattern and would be ready without the call. As i started to do these things on my own He stopped calling. Seems normal enough... the service is the same yet He no longer asks. Same with the morning routine. As time goes on new things are added to the list and MacCain rarely has to tell me what is expected. Some things are more dramatic... For instance, i fall at His feet whenever He looks like He disappoves. He no longer tells me He is disappointed, i can read His face. i suppose i must not be alone in this natural progression, and wonder if others have noticed that verbal cues go by the way side as I.E. progresses. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 17 Jan 09, 2:48 PM 483-608-929 US(OH), 4 yrs I agree that it is a natural progression but it's also part of the training. I try not to assume too much, though, and take too much into my own hands. I don't want to overstep something that is not wanted and assume that it is wanted. Routines are great - I like the order and clearness of them. What is expected is clearly outlined and success is achieved by simply doing it. It makes things a lot less complicated and easier. Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 17 Jan 09, 3:01 PM The_Apprentice UK, 3 yrs 483-608-929 wrote: I don't want to overstep something that is not wanted and assume that it is wanted. Routines are great - I like the order and clearness of them. What is expected is clearly outlined and success is achieved by simply doing it. It makes things a lot less complicated and easier. It sounds like too you giving up your decision making role is a key part of being a slave. Are most slaves like that - how many view it as a good thing to show initiative when pleasing their Master? 17 Jan 09, 3:46 PM 483-608-929 US(OH), 4 yrs Too much initiative can be trying to top from the bottom. I have held jobs that required a lot of responsibility and decision making and, thus, when it comes to this part of my life I like to give that up and not have to have that control. That said, I do at times do things that I know will make a day easier for Him and take care of a small issue that gives Him time to do other things or just makes it so that He doesn't have to deal with it. He doesn't want a robot or someone mindless and unable to do things on their own. He just wants blind obedience. Written by it with its Owner's permission. Thank you SIR. Ultimately we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. Marilyn Ferguson Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 17 Jan 09, 4:06 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs The_Apprentice, Just like vanilla relationships each M/s household has different outlooks. i don't presume that what is done in the MacCain home is done everywhere. i have known MacCain for a very long time, which absolutely helps me know what He likes and when. i don't decide what i do for MacCain, but He does prefer anticipatory service. What that means to U/us is if there is something He likes at a particular time of day (for instance when He comes home from work, He wants a cup of coffee waiting) He wants me to have it ready. He doesn't WANT to have to ask. If for some reason it isn't ready, He will ask... but if He has to ask i'm already in trouble. i don't just decide i want to preform a service for Him, however if there is something out of the norm i'd like to do for Him... i'll respectfully ask. i wouldn't just start randomly doing things for Him as that could be intrusive. Imagine for a moment you were sitting reading a book, and your s-type started flipping the pages "for you". Can you imagine how annoying that could be? i believe that was the type of unwanted service 483-608-929 was referring to. Something the s-type thought would be a good idea and good service, but was actually intrusive to the M- type. That said, if MacCain came home complaining His feet hurt, i certainly would offer to massage them. He could then decide for Himself if that is what He'd like at the moment. He might rather me fetch a pain reliever or He might rather me draw a warm bath...so i wouldn't just presume He wanted them rubbed and drop to my knees and start rubbing them. Do you see the difference? Great question BTW... p ~~edited as the first time round i "mis-spelled" 483-608-929.~~ i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. Edited 17 Jan 09, 4:24 PM by property_of_MacCain 17 Jan 09, 4:16 PM The_Apprentice UK, 3 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: Great question BTW... Even better answer! 17 Jan 09, 8:20 PM boston UK, 12 yrs p knows I find the concept of conditioning irresistible! We were discussing stuff over dinner this evening and we were talking about the way in our relationship there are virtually no rules but a lot of expectations on many levels - some spelled out and others now assimilated into every day living through this concept. I work harder to exceed his expectations of me in certain areas that I perhaps would to merely obey a rule, which I see as being proactive, though I always (try to)calculate carefully if it is intrusive or actually against his expectations first. If it is something he hasn't mentioned I would normally ask first, I'd rarely go ahead without checking unless it was impossible and I was 99% sure it would be something he wanted me to do. b^ 17 Jan 09, 9:20 PM Sophist UK, 12 yrs The_Apprentice wrote: It sounds like too you giving up your decision making role is a key part of being a slave. Are most slaves like that - how many view it as a good thing to show initiative when pleasing their Master? As p has said there are many types of Owners. Some want blind obedience to carefully described tasks and don't want any initiative taken. I once read a post where the slave said that if their Owner sent them out for a 200g jar of mayonnaise and the store only had 500g jars, then they should return empty handed - for if her Owner had wanted her to buy mayonnaise, preferably in a 200g jar, then he would have phrased it like that. Others (like myself) want someone who can apply their intelligence to enhancing my life, offloading tasks I would otherwise have to do myself to allow time for more important things. So for me b is a house cleaner, bookkeeper, laundress, personal assistant, cook, sexual toy, sounding-board, etc. etc. etc. In this respect, b is continually learning what I would like her to do, sometimes by my explicit instruction and sometimes because she recognises what I want and expect, and adding them to her regular activities. When these exceed the time available, I prioritise for her, either letting the least important wait, or undertaking those tasks which suit my skills better in order to focus her on those which suit her skills. However, is this "conditioning" in the sense that p means? S 18 Jan 09, 3:15 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs What p is talking about here is what I was alluding to on the Assertive or Obsequious thread (and elsewhere I think?), where I said I like 'pro-active, but subtle service'. By this I mean that I favour my boy learning what things I consistently like or expect in specific situations and then making these things happen when appropriate. For general routine matters, I enjoy the more subtle effects of him anticipating my wants and needs and then assuring that they happen far more than I enjoy saying 'Do X now please'. I prefer this to be in a subtle, non 'showy' way, for example I prefer him to know that when I get out of the bath I will want a cup of earl grey and automatically make it for me that to either ask if I want tea, or to draw attention to the service involved. he simply puts the tea down beside the bed while I'm getting dressed and says 'tea'. I also like him to be pro active about jobs that he knows I will want done ie, my shoes are always magically clean & shiny, the lawn is always magically mowed, and the fridge is always stocked with necessary things etc. A such I never have to even think about clean shoes etc which I must say is rather lovely. I also really like pro-active service with regard to repairs etc in the house. I have a huge amount of books and there is a constant dance of trying to house them. When he realises new bookshelves are required somewhere he doesn't say 'would you like me to put up bookshelves and if so what kind and where?', he just sources yet more shelving that he knows is the kind I like (often, efficiently, in two sizes) then says 'I notices you are running out of room for books on the Art shelf. Where would you like me to put a new shelf up'? I think that's bloody great. I realise some people may not like service like this but I certainly do and have made sure he learns that this is what I like. At one stage he would sometimes worry this would be inappropriate, and involve too much assumption, but the key to me is for him to have learned what I want so he will be confident that he is acting in accordance with my wishes. This takes time but once it is achieved it is a real pleasure. There are obviously also plenty of times that checking a requirement is necessary, but for routine principles and patterns, this subtle, pro-active, learned service is very much enjoyed by me and speaks highly of my boy's effort and learning. Great topic p 'It's the fire in my eyes, And the flash of my teeth, The swing of my waist, And the joy in my feet. I'm a woman, Phenomenally, Phenomenal woman - That's me'. 19 Jan 09, 12:42 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Yes, MT, that was what i was describing. Conditioning as in learning through reinforcement. MacCain has no desire to spend His day repeating His desires. i am by no means a mind reader, however i can make leaps based on what i know He does like, and go above and beyond. Like n, i enjoy surprising MacCain by having things done without Him mentioning it first. The glow on His face when i take initiative is priceless. It isn't that i've been "trained" to do certain tasks, but have been conditioned as to what He prefers... then i can apply that knowledge elsewhere. Again, i recognise every M-type will have different methods...i am by no means suggesting that it is wrong to want to just want obedience. p i breathe because He allows me, indulging Him indulges me. 21 Jan 09, 7:49 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs May I ask how much of this the s-types who follow this 'conditioning' pattern have just felt things out themselves, and how much direction they have had from their Owners? Someone on the thread suggested this kind of pro-active learned service could constitute topping form the bottom, and I can see that this could be a worry for some s-types if their Owner has not affirmed that this is what they want. So do you/ would you only assume initiative and pro-active service once your Owner has explicitly sanctioned it? And do you feel you need any sanction to refer to each individual area/ task, or do you simply have to recieve permission for the general pronciple? 'If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right side up again'. Sojourner Truth. Next page