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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Dreaming and slavery." 1 2 3 4 Dreaming and slavery. (38) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Tue 30 Dec 08, 5:19 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs I have a question about how slave's dream. Owing to the premise of this question, I am referring here solely to people who are fully owned property and co-resident with their Owners. When asleep and dreaming do the slave's here maintain their sense of identity as slave and think as slaves, and conduct themselves as slave's in their dream state, or do you 'behave' and think as autonomous beings in your dreams, perhaps as you were at some earlier stage of your lives? Is your answer to this consistent or does it vary from dream to dream? Has this changed as you have gone further into a state of literal enslavement? To clarify, I am not referring here to erotic or BDSM themed dreams of any kind. I am asking if in a dream on any other mundane or even fantastic subject matter, you still go through the same mental processes and checks as you do in real life? For example to give you a sense of what I am asking: Do you seek permission before acting in ways you have to in reality, or in your dreams do you just proceed? If you are not allowed to do something in your real life how does this affect this action appearing in your dreams or your response to it if it does? Do you consider issues of permission in your dream state? Do you think of yourself as property or not? It is essentially the mental processes you engage in while asleep I am asking about, rather than wanting to know that you dream of being handcuffed. My question refers to literal dreams when asleep, not daydreams or fantasies. I really look forward to people's replies on this subject Yo Ho Ho! Seasons Greetings to everyone, however or whatever you celebrate. 30 Dec 08, 6:52 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 6 yrs Joshua sometimes has nightmares. Usually he's a free agent in the nightmares. I suggested that if he can remember it while dreaming, to call me and ask me to make it stop. This has resulted in some positive dreams where he finds "me" (the Raven sockpuppet in his head) and "I" make the bad things stop, if only for a short while ... and some negative ones where he spends the whole dream desperately searching for me in order to ask me to make it stop. We're still working on it. -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 30 Dec 08, 7:43 PM SixThreeFive SE, 5 yrs Fascinating! Actually, I've begun having these dreams. Ones where I can't leave the apartment, unless I've asked permission, or where he's set me to work and that work has had an effect on my mental state, even when waking. Also, just as tangie describes, there are dreams that have nothing what so ever to do with anything erotic, but that are felt to be erotic. At one point, I remember dreaming that my Owner was excercing me in the way you do horses in a pool. He walked with some kind of reins by the pool, me swimming, and he kept walking faster and faster until I was swallowing water not being able to keep up. I wasn't afraid though, even though I ended up drowning in the dream. I just woke up aroused from him walking me in the pool. There are other dreams as well, and I've noticed these tend to happen when we're progressing further into... whatever this is. I don't even know what to call it anymore. I'll be following this thread with interest! Smile, it confuses people. 30 Dec 08, 7:56 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs What a fascinating idea for a thread. I don't remember any dreams in which slavery isn't present in my dream-identity, so it's been years since I dreamed about a free me. I can think of at least one dream in which I did run away, but Mr L came and got me Generally as far as I can think of right now, my dream-persona proceeds pretty much as I would in real life, if I were to be put in the kinds of fantastical situations my dreams involve. Yes, my dreams changed as I became enslaved. I can't remember many specifics, but interestingly, way back in the day when I first began dreaming an enslaved dream-self, the enslavement was a slightly fantastical and larger than life element of the dreams in itself. It only became an element of normalcy as I internalized my slavery in my real life. ravenkaldera wrote: This has resulted in some positive dreams where he finds "me" (the Raven sockpuppet in his head) and "I" make the bad things stop, if only for a short while Aw. I had a nightmare recently in which I was about to die. My dream-self was searching for a way to handle the terror of dying without losing it completely, and "I" thought that if I died I would die belonging to Mr L, so that would be OK. It surprised me, because I don't believe in an afterlife and things like that don't usually matter to me, but in the dream it was as if I would be able to hold onto that one important fact and take the same kind of comfort I would from holding Mr L's hand. Krista The majority here come here because it is a place to exchange ideas, not to release fluids. 30 Dec 08, 10:49 PM 662-935-655 5 yrs i don't, although both during O/our vanilla marriage time and during the time i was collared to Him, i had dreams where W/we'd be in some very busy chaotic place - Hospital ER most recently and in a disaster, but a mall often enough or an amusement park or a civic center type place or any large arena as in for a sporting event - and He'd move ahead of meand i'd get lost in the crowd, be unable to find Him and wake up terrified. i never realized until quite recentally that those dreams not only reflect abandonment issues and baggage from my prior life, but turned out to be prophetic - as in the Book He drew His spirituality from which says "The thing that i have greatly feared has come upon me". The last one was a few nights ago in a Veteran's (US) hospital W/we used to actualy go to for Him - in the dream He had a serious Cancer, not true in real life, and would be needing to be there for some time to overcome it, so the hospital had reserved a suite of rooms for U/us both to stay in and He was going ahead to sign us into the rooms - morel like at a hotel - and i lost Him in the crowd in the Hospital Lobby and couldn't catch up. How telling is that of where my subconscious is at? THEN, when i got back to sleep, i dreamt about my 2d prior - ex-husband, vanilla/abusive - we were walking down Main St.in the city i live in and i was turning off to walk down to my childhood home - He wanted to go with me, but i told Him i'd only agreed to go that far with Him and no more, so He couldn't come with me further. i don't normally dream of him and that scared me as he was a bit of a stalker- showed up at an AA meeting i attended which he previously "hated" before our split,for example. Some gay guys, friends from the AIDS place i volunteered for and AA would sit around me to keep Him from me. And He called when i had a listed phone before i met Master. Even when He knew that i was engaged to Master - Someone Else - He tried sending me mail, as i had now got an unlisted number, which i sent back "return to sender". and He even tried to contact me through my Dad and mentally ill Step-mom putting her in a completep panic attack. at that point i called His mom, who was a lovely lady, - no i wrote to her - and told her if she didn't want to see her only living son up on harassment charges she'd better talk to Him, because my Dad was going to press them. i hadn't heard from Him from that point on for 14 years of the 14 1/2 year marriage to Master, except possibly for one trollish e-mail i got from someone using the name "David" saying He was married and knew i was so did i want to meet Him for dinner or lunch? Master answered the post saying that His wife was a good Christian woman - now the inquisition might have a problem with that as besides the Church He was clergy in, i am a solitary Pagan and have been Pagan for a good many years before that. (Very ecclectic) But from Master that was the Highest compliment. He added that for 50 bucks He could find out anything he wanted to about anyone on i-net and therefore could forward any posts to the man's wife in the future- never heard from Him again. But He was the right age, the description matched and so did the astrological sign and He was living in my area - so i've always thought that was him. So why suddnly would i dream about him? (By the way i think that marriage went sour because he's a male-sub in the whips and chains closet - with strong reasons) i hope it's not prophetic but only because my landlord is home health aide to his father and so i've been hearing a LOT about the family that way. G-d(ess) forbid that this dream should be prophetic! From what i hear, he's not only not changed in any of he areas that made me sick to my stomach, but is worse. So i'm SOOOO glad i got out of that one, My other 2 vanilla-abusive marriages where to men who were gay/bi and in the closet. and i was in the whips and chains closet for a long time myself, so i've started to have some sympathy for my 3 priors - hmm, an x-rated soap opera based on the old my 3 sons American t.v.. series? (GRIN) - but i do hope to Heavens that this 2d ex has not heard i'm divorced and is going to stop hounding me - i do hope THIS dream is not prophetic. LMAO - at me, although it's all true and now E/everyone knows how silly my subconscious is, worse than my conscious mind by far.(LOL) I think this post is a case of "Be careful what You ask for, You might get it" as in more than You bargained for, Mistress T. (HUGS) j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! alias "granny" matrika ye olde crone, blessed be! 31 Dec 08, 11:09 AM anjuli UK, 4 yrs How interesting! <laughs> You've got everyone intrigued with this one MT. We think I'm on some sort of cusp at the moment... I had my first dream in which I was aware of wearing my collar recently. By which I mean it was just there as part of me, rather than the fantasy fuelled dreams of the early days when you dream about a collar going on or whatever. I have rather crazy disjointed dreams more recently (which I think have been due to health reasons and meds) so nothing terribly clear but there are changes. The nightmares which I used to have have calmed down since I've been with J. (Thank you Raven for the idea of calling him to stop them btw - that is a wonderful idea and I will definitely be trying it.) I sleep better because I feel safer. Some of my most disturbing dreams or dream sequences are gone and I think that is because of an awareness of being protected. J says it is very obvious that I am calmer and less disturbed, sleeping better and more quietly. I'm often a free agent in dreams and we are wondering if that's actually part of the key to why they scare me. With the appearance of my collar and an awareness of his ownership of my sleep-self, I am wondering if that heralds a change. We are intrigued to see what will happen in the future. anjuli Happy New Year Everyone! 31 Dec 08, 5:27 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Thankyou to everyone for your fascinating replies so far, I'm glad you're as intrigued by this as I. It's very intersting to me to see if people behave as 'free agents' in their dreams or still as slave's. Krista's observation that, little_linnet wrote: Generally as far as I can think of right now, my dream-persona proceeds pretty much as I would in real life, if I were to be put in the kinds of fantastical situations my dreams involve is exactly the kind of information I was interested in finding out. I expected that everyone's dreams would be as fantastic/ surreal/ depraved as the next persons, but I was wondering if you proceeded through your fantastic dream worlds autonomously or by employing the same mental system of authorisation you do in your waking lives. I wonder if this integration between your slave-selves and sleeping-selves occurs more over time? Perhaps some of the longer enslaved people here will have some feedback on this? Have you seen a process of integration of your slavery in your dreams over time? Krista's references to the element of normalcy little_linnet wrote: when I first began dreaming an enslaved dream-self, the enslavement was a slightly fantastical and larger than life element of the dreams in itself. It only became an element of normalcy as I internalized my slavery in my real life. seems to imply that in her case at least there is a process of integration happening. It doesn't seem surprising that enslavement should have a 'fantastical, larger than life' presence in dreams earlier on in the enslavement process. Anjuli's statement, Anjuli wrote: I had my first dream in which I was aware of wearing my collar recently. By which I mean it was just there as part of me, rather than the fantasy fuelled dreams of the early days when you dream about a collar going on or whatever' seems to suggest this too. I wonder if once slavery develops the status of normalcy in dreams, and is just the automatic backdrop of the dreamers identity/ persona, it signals another move toward slavery becoming even more integral to the slave's identity perhaps? I also wonder how any periods of reactance or struggle to adapt to new changes will affect the dreams of the enslaved – do you regain your autonomy in your dreams as part of a 'rebellion', or have bad dreams with helplessness' anger about the subject that is causing distress? I realise this is not something that will be easy to answer instantly, but it would be interesting to observe over a longer period I think. When Anjuli says Anjuli wrote: I'm often a free agent in dreams and we are wondering if that's actually part of the key to why they scare me this seems to suggest an number of intriguing connections too. The place of Dominants as soothing calming, order-restoring physical forces in dreams is being mentioned more than I expected. I was initially asking about the mental processes slave's engage in while dreaming, but it seems that maybe there is an overlap with the presence of their dominant in dreams for people too (especially in Raven's example). When Tangie comments that, Tangie wrote: It's more a pervasive aura of dominance/guidance/protection than anything else it seems to suggest a level of slave-self present in her dreams specifically via her Owners presence. I'd be intrigued to hear how your dreams that do not feature William work, Barbara. Does this sense of his protection still permeate them? Do you behave autonomously or still heed your established 'rules'? Does this change when William appears in your dreams? I think all the reports of Dominants stopping badness occurring even in dreams are really lovely by the way. What a nice side effect. Thanks for sharing, I realise this is quite an intimate subject area. I look forward to hearing more 'It's the fire in my eyes, And the flash of my teeth, The swing of my waist, And the joy in my feet. I'm a woman, Phenomenally, Phenomenal woman - That's me'. 31 Dec 08, 6:09 PM Master_Odin US(KS), 3 yrs ravenkaldera wrote: Joshua sometimes has nightmares. Usually he's a free agent in the nightmares. I suggested that if he can remember it while dreaming, to call me and ask me to make it stop. This has resulted in some positive dreams where he finds "me" (the Raven sockpuppet in his head) and "I" make the bad things stop, if only for a short while ... and some negative ones where he spends the whole dream desperately searching for me in order to ask me to make it stop. We're still working on it. -Raven Kaldera eh...Have you ever actually heard the call? I have had a question to put to the boards for a while, and this thread is as close to the topic as we will probably get. (It is not my intention to highjack this extremely interesting thread, but to hopefully add perhaps a new level, assuming I am not the only one to experience what follows ) For background, the mother of my children and I had a very close relationship that developed into what would essentially be a TPE/IE relationship. However, it was the result of a progressive mental illness, not consensual non-consent. We parted 10 years ago to get the kids out of the situation. She has since recovered more than the doctors expected. Anyway, she and I developed what can only be described as a crude telepathic link. Nothing so specific that you can read her a telephone number and I just “know” it, but under stress each knows the other is in need. The last occurrence, not three weeks ago I was awakened by hearing my named called in an urgent manner. I got up, found her phone number, (she lives two hours away, we don't speak regularly), called and woke her up from a night terror in which she was calling for me to help/save her. Has anyone else experienced/heard about anything like this related to TPE/IE, or am I just weirder than I thought? Selah. There is no authority, only responsibility. 31 Dec 08, 8:30 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs Mistress_Tiara wrote: I also wonder how any periods of reactance or struggle to adapt to new changes will affect the dreams of the enslaved – do you regain your autonomy in your dreams as part of a 'rebellion', or have bad dreams with helplessness' anger about the subject that is causing distress? The dream in which I ran away was one I had at a time when I was feeling frustrated and unsatisfied in my relationship with Mr L. I also remembered a dream, after I posted, from which Mr L was absent. The strangest thing about it was that I didn't have any of the fear, grief or feelings of abandonment that I'd have in real life if he was off somewhere for so long that I was on my own. I handled my fantastical dream-adventures as best I could in the short term without much reference to him. The interesting thing about this dream is that I had it in a time when I was feeling uncontrolled and left to face life on my own. Krista The majority here come here because it is a place to exchange ideas, not to release fluids. 31 Dec 08, 8:42 PM thekittenpup 4 yrs im not currently living with Andrew (darnit! lol) and in my dreams (which are usually quite weird and unrealistic anyway, having nothing to do with real life) i am free and unowned. i am curious now to see if that changes if i and Andrew begin living together. Awesome topic MT! NOT SEEKING MEN ONLY SEEKING WOMEN 31 Dec 08, 9:43 PM SixThreeFive SE, 5 yrs I've noticed that during times of reactance, I'll dream about the topic in question. I'll dream about conversations about it, or doing it, or the fears I'm having. But all of these dreams (and sometimes daydreams or fantasies) are geared in a way that help me overcome it. Does that make sense? For example, I've mentioned before that I've had a dream in which there was a "Tanos" figure. (Ehrm. Not blushing here. *cough*) This figure helped me deal with something that was very distressing to me at the time, by talking it through with me, though I can't remember the conversation anymore. This was during a time where I felt I couldn't trust or rely on my Owner, where I thought IE was not in place and I was experiencing some significant hurt and desperation. Lately, these sort of dreams are conversations with my Owner or he features in some other way. It's interesting to me that my dreams frequently manage to lead me into accepting whatever is causing the reactance episode. It's like they process emotions I can't handle in my waking state. I'm very aware of being owned, though just like in real life it's not something I really "pay attention" to... which is difficult to explain. I'm owned. It is. It is in dreams and in real life. It's a fact. Thus I don't need to conciously think about it all the time, I know it and am always aware of it on some level. Am I making any sense? (Am I even on topic? *lol*) Smile, it confuses people. Next page