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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Introduction and TPE longevity question" Introduction and TPE longevity question (8) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Tue 23 Dec 08, 8:42 PM MasterDs_object US(OR), 3 yrs Hello. it has no idea how to start this but will just start typing. Master Delpier, it's owner, has allowed it to communicate via this site and wishes it to introduce itself. it is a 24/7 TPE object owned by Master Depier. it has been owned for almost four and a half years. Master lives in Northwest Oregon (south of Portland) on a farm in a rural area. Master is not a farmer, but likes the privacy a farm provides. it has been studying these boards and wanted to ask one question, with Master's blessing. Does true long term TPE exist? Can anybody share experiences of a true TPE relationship for longer than a few years? it asks specifically about complete and total TPE, i.e. submissive/property has no safe word, no limits and lives to serve Master/Mistress full time. it thanks all of you for the wonderful conversations and postings, and hope it can contribute in the future. 382-019-994 ___________________________________________________ _ Reviewed and posted with the permission of Master D 23 Dec 08, 9:24 PM 662-935-655 5 yrs Yes absolutely - my late Master/Husband STILL claims ownership of me by having made me pledge i'd never ever serve another - period. He is/was a Priest/Elder in a Church that believes in marriages that are "Sealed" in their secretive "Temple" rites for those Church members "Worthy" to receive such - as opposed to regular sunday-go-to-meeting Church service in the Church's chapels -are for time and all eternity, including a vow of obedience to the Husband as to the Lord in the preparatory rites. Although the Church doesn't demand a widow not remarry- many do but only in the traditional "As long as Y/you both shall live/until death do Y/you part" type ceremony for a woman, Master made it clear that i was never to serve another, ever. In fact O/our 10 years of vanilla marriage before the collaring had been a struggle - both of us had past baggage from 3 priors apiece marriage-wise and abuse as kids/adults, etc. (serious abuse) - part of this was due to His dyslexia and ADHD making it hard to communcate clearly what He wanted and part of this was my PTSD due to sexualized abuse as a kid by a neighbor's acquaintance and other abuse giving me "flashbacks" when He tried to be Himself, an Alpha male Dominat, which i confused with prior abuse. And also His heart problems and heart meds at first made that worse until they changed His meds-heart meds can make F/folks very irratable if these are not the correct ones for that P/patient or not the right dosage - and i got some help and got stabilized from PTSD and bipolar on mine at the right dose. (They nearly killed me with the wrong dose at first - still losing my kidneys over it!) But the last 4 1/2 years of O/our marriage, where a US t.v. show, a forensic crime drama no less, had helped me understand what He wanted and i "surrendered" to Him and was collared by Him on our tenth anniversary, as i was His gift (GriN) - were beautiful and wonderful. i have no regrets and as a result the last 1/3 of O/our marriage was so beautiful it was like a miracle - very magical. And, as my com-sig here says, i still proudly wear HIS Collar and Ring - and am "ALWAYS" His. i am friends with another widowed slave who was married to Her Master and collared by Him for 29 years - she is not on here - and has been widowed from Him for some 3 plus years. Both of us, her and i, have no regrets - except i wish i had done it sooner and i also wish i'd had a clearer understanding of what He wanted medically in His last days, as well as of what He wanted for His funeral/burial. Y/you see W/we never talked about that - He had trouble with communicating to begin with and W/we both, with my Nurse Practitioner, thought it likely i'd die first due to the nature of some serious health problems of my o w n. But the relationship while He was alive and i was collared, i have no regrets - W/we mostly lived "happily ever after" and when W/we did not, it was no longer Him and me at each other's throats, but Him and me against the world, winning or drawing even because W/we pooled O/our talents and education and resources to take on whatever challenges faced U/us - except His last illness. To quote an old song "Those were the best days of my life"! Yes Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus - and there is longevity to many kink relationships. There are quite a few married or otherwise long-term TPE F/folk on here and i hope T/they also will share with you. The one thing that i think is crucial in long term TPE, esp. if the slave lives with the Owner or sub with the Dom and has no income/resources of his/her own and they are not legally married, is to make sure the slave is provided for in a will and/or life-insurance. i was blessed as, although my Master was poor and disabled already when He collared me, by marriage i am eligible for surviving spouse benefits from both social Security here in the USA and Veteran's surviving spouse benefits, so i have enough - although i am by no means wealthy or even middle class, i don't want for much materially. But if O/one is not married to O/one's opposite number in a M/s type Total Power Exchange and the slave is financially dependent on the Master, it can cause incredible and awful situations for the slave if s/he has not had the Master make some arrangements for them - including being thrown out of a home the Owner has as property by the "heirs". Meantime, may i say congratulations and welcome to O/our world to you - and Your Master, esp. if He is also new here. j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! alias "granny" matrika ye olde crone, blessed be! 23 Dec 08, 10:29 PM ravenkaldera US(MA), 6 yrs Seven years now, no end in sight. Doing fine. I realize that's not very long compared to some of the folks here, but it took me a while to find the right boy. Like, two decades. -Raven Kaldera -If you're in charge, it's all on your head. If it's not all on your head, then you're not really in charge. 24 Dec 08, 3:55 AM little_linnet US, 6 yrs How long have Carolyn and Steve been together? I know it's more than 15 years. I know of another couple who celebrated their 17th anniversary this year. And I know a third couple who must be in the 10-15 year range, although I've never asked. I've been "together" with Mr L for 13 years, married for 10, but owned for only 3. Krista The majority here come here because it is a place to exchange ideas, not to release fluids. 24 Dec 08, 3:38 PM SixThreeFive SE, 5 yrs If I'm not mistaken, Carolyn mentioned 28 years and still going, at some point. I think that number is something I sort of cling to, as proof of longevity being possible. We've been together for four, living together for three and I've been owned for a little over two. Smile, it confuses people. 24 Dec 08, 4:51 PM Sir4Ryco 6 yrs Hi MasterDs_object, I have been with my slave for just over 14 years. We have been married for over 13 years and were TPE D/s (often 24/7 but we wouldn't stay in it for more than a couple months at a time)for 7 1/2 years. We have been 24/7 M/s for more than 6 1/2 years. Take care. Sir4Ryco 26 Dec 08, 11:17 PM MasterDs_object US(OR), 3 yrs Sir4Ryco wrote: Hi MasterDs_object, I have been with my slave for just over 14 years. We have been married for over 13 years and were TPE D/s (often 24/7 but we wouldn't stay in it for more than a couple months at a time)for 7 1/2 years. We have been 24/7 M/s for more than 6 1/2 years. Take care. Sir4Ryco Sir4Ryco, it is curious what the difference is between a TPE and 24/7? You mentioned that you have always been TPE for 7 1/2 years, but only do it 24/7 for a couple months at a time. Could you define the differences between your 7 1/2 year TPE and the times when you are "24/7"? With its Owner, it does not experience a difference. TPE is TPE, and is by nature, 24/7. it does not mean to offend, and realizes many people have different experiences, but it would appreciate more information. 382-019-994 ___________________________________________________ _ Reviewed and posted with the permission of Master D 29 Dec 08, 2:56 PM kitty_miaow 3 yrs I think the major issue is that too many TPE relationships are built on kink, when things go astray (illness, depression, pregnancy etc etc) the relationship has no foundation. Build a relationship on friendship and intimacy and they can last forever more or less 2 Jan 09, 5:58 PM Sir4Ryco 6 yrs Hi MasterDs_object, When I say TPE D/s what I mean is a D/s relationship that is one of total power exchange but it wasn't slavery. It was a no safe word power exchange between a dominant and a submissive. I talk about the changes in our dynamic at the time because we would go from a high ritual environment for a couple of months (like the M/s we practice right now) to acting like an orthodox Christian household, with a hidden twist, for a month or two. The dynamic changed so often that I think of it as a TPE D/s period of our relationship although externally we wouldn't look a lot different (to a cultural anthropologist) than we do now that we are 24/7 M/s. I would have to say that most of the differences between the two are how they are manifest internally in my slave. About a year before I gave my slave her collar I experimented with various forms of classical and operant conditioning to see how my then submissive would react. When I finally decided to make her enslavement a formal understanding between the two of us it was actually a bit of an anti-climax . . . for me. I spent a week fretting over the covenant I had prepared for her to swear to me which would formally make her my slave. I remember giving it to her with the direction to read it over and see if there was anything she wanted to discuss changing. She read it over, looked at me, and said, "This is exactly how we are right now." I was expecting a debate about freedoms and what I got was questions that generally stated, "What's the difference? What's the point?" Thinking back on the beginning of it all i now see that the M/s phase of our relationship brought about the biggest changes in me first. The actual first change in me was a real and implacable desire to train her. She had submitted to me but in truth I didn't control her day (she set her own schedule), I didn't control her interactions (with whom and how she associates), and I didn't control her mind (intellectually or morally).The other change for me was one of psychological security. There's a light year between someone who loves you, wants to obey you, and make you happy ,and someone who believes that they are your property (through covenant), and that they no longer have the right to disobey you (disobedience = sin). All the responsibility in the relationship instantly shifts to the person who is accepting/ seeking ownership. As a reborn master/ owner I could feel it; an emotional shift as all the blame, complications, responsibility , health, and welfare of my slave and of our relationship shifted to my shoulders. Thinking about it now I realize that I approached her training in almost the same manner that I trained my soldiers. I decided what I wanted and set up a training plan to accomplish my goals with my slave (something else I didn't do during the D/s part of our relationship). It was and is a lot of work but the rewards are incredible. Another thing that occurred was that we began to communicate in a more open and a more blunt manner. While I'm sure it's pretty clear to those who have read my writing . . . I have a 'slightly' possessive attitude when it comes to my slave. This new communication led to each of us discovering things about the other that were harmful in the short term. I became quite angry one day when we were discussing her sexual past. Let's face it . . . sexual history can be a hard thing to explore in detail (we had only brushed on it in the past). Discussing our sexual past in detail was harmful to me and I pulled back from learning about her for several days. I began to have dreams about her with other men and the details she had shared with me about her sexual history were featured in these dreams. I bucked up and pushed on because I knew that I had to know everything but I have to admit that this was about the hardest time for me. The truth is that it was also a very productive time in learning new tools to control and heal my slave. It's something I'm glad I did but I would hate to have to do it again. For my slave I think the first time she realized the change came about a month or two after we started the new M/s relationship. We were having a talk about her enslavement and she once again stated that she didn't think she could recognize the change. What I did was started her focussing on herself and forced her into a state where she was completely aware of my ownership and her requirement to obey me. I guess I made her the psychological equivalent of a fly in a spider's web. Then she looked at me and said something like, "It's true, I'm completely helpless with you . . . I'm your slave." She was looking at me with doe eyes, then they filled with tears, and then she began to sob (it shocked the heck out of me). While sobbing she expressed several times how frightened it made her. She had a good cry and then we had a talk about what her helplessness meant to her in relationship with me . . . knowing how I feel about honour and loyalty . . . about half way though that conversation she hugged into my knee and started to weep again. I asked what was wrong and she looked at me smiling and said, "I'm so happy being your slave." Then the conversation went its normal course from there. In all the time that we were pretty much 24/7 TPE D/s my slave never once broke down in the recognition of how much power she had given me or how much power she had lost. When the realization hit, that she was a slave, she went from real fear to real joy in fifteen minutes. Her first reaction was one of fear perhaps because western society has pre-programmed us to fear all losses of freedom (i.e. Anyone who wants to take power from another must be a monster . . . get away now). Westerners are taught to gain money/power so that they can at least convince themselves that they have more freedoms than the average citizen. My slave needed reassurance about who she was with and then her state of happiness swung to the opposite pole once she realized that she was safe with me. That's something else that a slave needs and a submissive wants . . . a place of safety with their dominant. Without this place of safety(whatever its method of manifesting itself) IE and ultimately M/s will fail. Take care. Sir4Ryco Edited 2 Jan 09, 6:09 PM by Sir4Ryco