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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "question about household "service"" 1 2 3 4 question about household "service" (37) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 15 Dec 08, 12:05 AM MacCain 4 yrs Remoses, You've not been slandered, libeled, nor vilified in any way, at least not by any definition that I am aware of. It is possible that my post and the post of my property offended, which was not the intent. Indeed, as you say the written word can be interpreted so very many ways. The comment by my property, made no assertion that an LDR was in anyway shape or form a bad thing. My comments were regarding my perceptions of ME posting on boards where I do not have any experience. I can find no case of you being libeled in any other perceivable way by anyone. That said you have corrected the information I had from your profile and posts over the last year, and we are now informed of your broad experience. I have typically felt in the past, that the advice you give is sound, or at very least a useful counterpoint, and is by and large insightful and well thought out. Regardless of my opinions on the matter, people will still post wherever they feel like, with whatever they like, regardless of relevance. Is it wrong for those on the boards with more experience (including you), to help point out better paths to those who are new? Is it surprising that after many, many times of doing so, that some get frustrated? Regards, MacCain P.S. To the OP, I have not had my property serve my guests in any way the guest desired. I have required her to serve drinks, food, to be hospitable, witty and charming. I find that she is well suited to this, and it falls under the parameters I set as a host. I apologise that this does not truly answer your specific questions, and only the headline of the thread. Depending on what the relationship Y/you have, you may need to discuss the situation, and what it will entail, so that your fears may be allayed. Here's to the man, and only he, can work his horse by the rule of three; by the crack of his whip or the wave of his hand he can make them go or make them stand. 16 Dec 08, 12:38 AM Remoses US(PA), 6 yrs There is a line from a James Brown song when he's just talking to the band. He says "Let's hit it and quit" So that's what I'm going to do here. Here's the "hit it" I have tried to be civil and have asked for little else from you. I have had some very unflattering things said about Me. My words have been taken out of context and have been twisted to suit a meaning that was not there when I wrote them. I was especially offended by the little snide comment implying that I had made sexist statements. I asked that we be inclusive and not exclusive. I've asked that we consider that the OP may have asked a real question but was wrongly criticized by some self-appointed style police. THAT is what I objected to in the first place. Take cheap shots at Me all you like. Assume you know things about Me that you do not. That's fair game in an anonymous discussion board like this. Defend petty and un-mannerly behaviour if that is your taste in human behaviour. But do know this, I have had four people, quietly and politely memo Me to express their support of Me and My sentiments. I will not name them as they evidently do not want to be pilloried in this kangaroo court. But those of you who feel free to damn Me should know that your views are not held by everyone. There is a differing opinion out there that holds that your view of the world is not the last word in civility. Now, it's time to "quit"! Thank you all, friend and foe alike. As always, it's been a lively discussion. I am Remoses. Just because it's inconvenient, doesn't mean it's not required. Quod principi placet legis habet vigorem (The pleasure of the prince has the force of law.) **Pronounce it: Ray-mosay.** 16 Dec 08, 2:01 AM 119-812-164 US, 3 yrs directly to the OP: i suppose this is your long and hard lesson about being specific. maybe you can think of it as the first holiday dinner at the in-laws house. so much can be revealed around a hot toddy. i think we might all be more cheerful in our defenses, accusations, and assertions if we were sharing them simultaneously with a little rum. but being without, i think it's important to note that the kind of use you speak of, from my perspective, has generally been the sort that i see bantered about in forums that don't always have the 'domestic' and 'familial' leanings you might find here. within these given contexts, many Masters may consider such treatment of their property not in the best interest of the property or debasing in an unintentional way. as it is, i think for some, including me, it's simply a difficult subject to which to respond in a general way, without specifics, without context, and without knowing your personal investment in the scenario. as per some of the rest -- MacCain wrote: You've not been slandered, libeled, nor vilified in any way, at least not by any definition that I am aware of. It is possible that my post and the post of my property offended, which was not the intent. Indeed, as you say the written word can be interpreted so very many ways. it is a wonderful and productive thing to come to some terms of mediation, but in truth, i would have to say, at the expense of falling on one side or another, that yes, Remoses has been slighted in responses from others on the board. i say this with absolutely no intent to return to other threads and nit-pickingly parallel each slur to each of his responses here. but i do respectfully have to differ given that the very first post i ever read on the boards was one where Remoses was asserting that he had no intent on standing by and watching others ridiculed and bullied by some. as my first introduction to these boards, i didn't know then how telling that scenario might play out. MacCain wrote: Regardless of my opinions on the matter, people will still post wherever they feel like, with whatever they like, regardless of relevance. Is it wrong for those on the boards with more experience (including you), to help point out better paths to those who are new? again, respectfully yes it is wrong for those with more experience to point out 'better' paths (of communication, i assume you mean) if those suggestions are offered as biting, critical, dismissive and/or sarcastic responses as opposed to gifts of guidance, which is what i suppose you mean to refer more to. i think offering guidance in a positive tone, whether the OP 'deserves' it or not in one eyes is not only good for the spirit of the board, but it's better for the internal spirit of the responder, the OP, and those who subsequently join the thread. yes, i am one of those 'positive energy begets positive engery' sorts, so, disregard all of this if you'd like. MacCain wrote: Is it surprising that after many, many times of doing so, that some get frustrated? and i have to say that yes, it is very surprising to me that adults have so little patience within a dynamic and growing community. what do you do if your child's 4th grade teacher felt as though she shouldn't have to reintroduce the subject of division to your child because she explained that last year, and the year before, and the year before that. to understand that accommodation and reiteration are foundational parts of 'orientation' seems basic. yes, it can be mundane and boring, but it is also welcoming and civil. as per the OP, i agree with MGs that if one wanted to 'wank' for lack of better terms, i can't imagine a poor soul would settle for this sad lot of textual trysts. there are so many free sites for both the linguistically as well as the visually inclined. given the abundance of material available online for one seeking titillation, marking this initial posting suspect seems, well, a bit of a stretch. it might be called many things, and judged accordingly as we are all judged by those who navigate outside of our familiar circles, but deviant, within the context of the boards, i'm thinking not likely. i grew up in a pretty tough area and one of the things that i learned was that people who fight hard also love hard. we were the sorts of people who might first take you down but kiss you on your bloody lips goodbye. i'm trying to come to some of the dialogue here with these old lessons in mind, to 'harvest' the passion and zeal and leave the rest. and all of it, i'll repeat, would be best done under warmer circumstances. but without them, we do our best. cheers, grl The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions.-- Alfred Lord Tennyson To live a creative life we must lose our fear of being wrong. --Joseph Chilton Pearce Edited 16 Dec 08, 2:04 AM by 119-812-164 17 Dec 08, 2:47 AM MacCain 4 yrs Some excellent advice for all in my opinion, in your post to the OP. Also regarding the rum. 119-812-164 wrote: MacCain wrote: You've not been slandered, libeled, nor vilified in any way, at least not by any definition that I am aware of. It is possible that my post and the post of my property offended, which was not the intent. Indeed, as you say the written word can be interpreted so very many ways. it is a wonderful and productive thing to come to some terms of mediation, but in truth, i would have to say, at the expense of falling on one side or another, that yes, Remoses has been slighted in responses from others on the board. i say this with absolutely no intent to return to other threads and nit-pickingly parallel each slur to each of his responses here. but i do respectfully have to differ given that the very first post i ever read on the boards was one where Remoses was asserting that he had no intent on standing by and watching others ridiculed and bullied by some. as my first introduction to these boards, i didn't know then how telling that scenario might play out. Slighted or offended? I can certainly understand that. I also understand that Krista feels offended also. Neither have been libeled however. It would be my hope, that all parties concerned think about not merely how they've been insulted and/or offended, but think about the offenses they were party to, now and in the past. 119-812-164 wrote: MacCain wrote: Regardless of my opinions on the matter, people will still post wherever they feel like, with whatever they like, regardless of relevance. Is it wrong for those on the boards with more experience (including you), to help point out better paths to those who are new? again, respectfully yes it is wrong for those with more experience to point out 'better' paths (of communication, i assume you mean) if those suggestions are offered as biting, critical, dismissive and/or sarcastic responses as opposed to gifts of guidance, which is what i suppose you mean to refer more to. i think offering guidance in a positive tone, whether the OP 'deserves' it or not in one eyes is not only good for the spirit of the board, but it's better for the internal spirit of the responder, the OP, and those who subsequently join the thread. yes, i am one of those 'positive energy begets positive engery' sorts, so, disregard all of this if you'd like. No need for me to disregard. Even if I were to discount the merits of positive energy, I feel a positive attitude goes a long way toward a functioning community. Personally, I do not feel that Krista's response to the OP was offensive. The OP responded and corrected the misinterpretation. As you said, there is no need to rehash old threads, but there's been quite a lot of choices of being offended in the past and on this thread. It can be a simple matter to correct perception of ones image, when it has been misunderstood. My statement of directing people towards better paths, was not defending anyone, although it could have been taken as defending either Krista, or Remoses; however, it was just acknowledging that often, people who frequent boards regularly, feel they need to show how the boards are organised. Ideally, as you said, it is done in a civil (and positive) manner. Too often here and I'm quite sure, on every board or e-list I've ever seen, it is done in a biting way, rather like mass transit employees "educate" the unfamiliar with a cities trains, and buses. 119-812-164 wrote: MacCain wrote: Is it surprising that after many, many times of doing so, that some get frustrated? and i have to say that yes, it is very surprising to me that adults have so little patience within a dynamic and growing community. what do you do if your child's 4th grade teacher felt as though she shouldn't have to reintroduce the subject of division to your child because she explained that last year, and the year before, and the year before that. to understand that accommodation and reiteration are foundational parts of 'orientation' seems basic. yes, it can be mundane and boring, but it is also welcoming and civil. Again, my reference to frustration, could be interpreted as meaning either Krista, or Remoses, or anyone you'd prefer. That said, YES! EMPHATICALLY YES! accommodation and reiteration, are welcoming and civil, and certainly preferred. That said some choose not to respond well, when informed of the reasons behind an error they have made, and refuse to be 'oriented'. Things go badly from there. Personally, I think stickies, with some of the key content which has been discussed, would be a way of making things more readily available to all. It would probably eliminate a fair bit of issues from the start for the observant, and an easy place to point someone for new info. That said, the frustration could be likened being on a Jungian board, and having people say that Freudian (or Reichian or whomever...) is the superior view, or something even more tangential. I think this would frustrate the Jungians. I don't think, they'd take well to Jung being dismissed and called unnecessary, and be able to see it as debate, and less so to the tangential. I don't think, Freudian-Jungian correspondences, or comparisons would be out of the arouse the same ire. Likewise here. Would it be better if people always kept cool and level heads? I really truly would love to say yes. Every bit of systemic, logical, analytical, as well as the desire for people to get along says yes. I can't though, your next point demonstrates the reason. 119-812-164 wrote: i grew up in a pretty tough area and one of the things that i learned was that people who fight hard also love hard. we were the sorts of people who might first take you down but kiss you on your bloody lips goodbye. i'm trying to come to some of the dialogue here with these old lessons in mind, to 'harvest' the passion and zeal and leave the rest. Although, it can be a bit combative at times, SD and it's sister sites offer a huge array of material, which I have found informative. My hope would be that all of us can do as you have suggested, and retain the passions while not allowing past slights, real or imagined, to burden our journeys here. Cheers, MacCain P.S. I'd also like to thank MG's in particular, but also Anjuli, and 119-812-164, for the advice offered to the OP, addressing the specific concerns mentioned. Here's to the man, and only he, can work his horse by the rule of three; by the crack of his whip or the wave of his hand he can make them go or make them stand. 11 Jun 09, 4:12 PM 122-760-889 UK, 5 yrs I have been used many times for entertaining guest both men and women Many times My owener has had parties where he invited people he knows will get pleasure out of using me or indeed seeing me used Firslt I have been used to serve food (usually in a very sexy dress ) or naked and when the meal has finished |I have been offfered to anyone who wants me Sex usually takes place in the same room so others can watch if they want - this is particularly the case if a woman uses me when men are attracted a great deal to this I have been fucked of course by many men for the entertainment of women .I am then used for the rest of the evening and into the early hours I am left leaking with cum from head to foot with all holes filled - this of course I apprciate and love lisa 16 Sep 09, 9:15 AM bastets_daughter 2 yrs a tad judgemental don't you think. what gives you the right? how could u possibly know? 9 Jun 10, 3:44 PM 122-760-889 UK, 5 yrs I prefer my Dom to have total charge of me - In this way before the relationship starts I agree to stuff which will be required - I am fortunat there is no scat or that type of stuff required - but he does require me to use my mouth on his friens cocks and his women cunts.I am regularly fucked on a 24/7 basis with no condoms - but the people who do it it are checked regularly In the house I am usually naked except for my piercings - 3 in each ear - a nose ring ,nipple rings and labia rings all of which have been enlarged over recent years This is found to be very sexy by females and males alike There are many other things I am used to perform sexually - usually in bondage of some sort I am also used at table to serve food