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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Permanent Collar" 1 2 3 4 5 6 Permanent Collar (54) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 11 Dec 08, 12:03 AM little_linnet US, 6 yrs anjuli wrote: I am driven to wonder if this ridiculous law would apply the other way around or if, once again, it's just us women who are to be treated as children, unable to make decisions and look after ourselves. Google "Genital piercings outlawed in Georgia" or some variant thereof, and get the popcorn. Krista You oppress me with your lack of interest in my exhibitionism and various fetishes! 11 Dec 08, 11:41 AM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs moncherie wrote: Permanent Collar My question is this. Is there anyone here who has experience wearing something that is truly permanent or knows someone who does? If so, what has been your/their experience to date? Now I'm not looking for opinions or discussions about the ramifications of wearing a permanent collar because it's basically a done deal. In fact by the time Cherie even finds this post she'll most likely be wearing it. I'm looking for real world experiences here. Traveling experience, experiences with work, co-workers, family, medical personnel etc... My plan is to present Cherie with the collar and let her decide for herself if she is willing to give in to it's allure and lock it around her neck by her own hand. In that way she will truly demonstrate her willingness to give herself to me completely and freely for the rest of her life Thanks in advance. One point that was made is that in mentioning my subs wearing his thick silver chain with permanently closed lock, this may not be the same as a permanent collar. I suppose I am interested in what way is it the same or different. Nothing is actually permanent because every collar or chain could be removed by mechanical means if necessary should the need arise. If by permanence one means that the wearer cannot remove it then it doesn't matter what the item is as along as it cannot be taken off easily. A locking eternity collar, lock and chain...what difference? Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 11 Dec 08, 12:13 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs little_linnet wrote: Google "Genital piercings outlawed in Georgia" or some variant thereof, and get the popcorn. Krista <big eyes> You ARE yanking my chain, aren't you? <rushes off to check tho> anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 11 Dec 08, 12:22 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs <returns aghast> Oh ye gods, she wasn't joking! You know, I don't know whether to laugh, scream or cry! I sure as hell am glad I don't live in Georgia I think I'd die of shame and embarrassment. Now... did we ever tell you guys about a chap called Guy Fawkes...? anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ Edited 11 Dec 08, 12:24 PM by anjuli 11 Dec 08, 9:19 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs Ms_Valentine wrote: Nothing is actually permanent because every collar or chain could be removed by mechanical means if necessary should the need arise. If by permanence one means that the wearer cannot remove it then it doesn't matter what the item is as along as it cannot be taken off easily. A locking eternity collar, lock and chain...what difference? Speaking just for myself, I find a defining difference in the ease with which the collar can be removed and put back on. A locked collar like mine is next to impossible for *me* to remove, but childishly easy for Mr L or anyone he might delegate the key to. After he unlocks it he can re-lock it. It's designed to be difficult for an unauthorized person to remove, but ultimately for the function of removing and replacing with ease, even if he chooses not to exercise that function by taking it off every day or week. A permanently fused collar is designed to go on once and not come off. No one, not Mr L or anyone he delegates, can remove it with ease. To get it off it has to be hacksawed or broken and functionally destroyed. To me it's the difference between an open envelope and a sealed one: only one can be opened without destroying it. Krista You oppress me with your lack of interest in my exhibitionism and various fetishes! 16 Dec 08, 10:17 AM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs Has cherie taken the permanent collar, does anyone know? Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 16 Dec 08, 10:21 AM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs little_linnet wrote: Ms_Valentine wrote: Nothing is actually permanent because every collar or chain could be removed by mechanical means if necessary should the need arise. If by permanence one means that the wearer cannot remove it then it doesn't matter what the item is as along as it cannot be taken off easily. A locking eternity collar, lock and chain...what difference? Speaking just for myself, I find a defining difference in the ease with which the collar can be removed and put back on. A locked collar like mine is next to impossible for *me* to remove, but childishly easy for Mr L or anyone he might delegate the key to. After he unlocks it he can re-lock it. It's designed to be difficult for an unauthorized person to remove, but ultimately for the function of removing and replacing with ease, even if he chooses not to exercise that function by taking it off every day or week. A permanently fused collar is designed to go on once and not come off. No one, not Mr L or anyone he delegates, can remove it with ease. To get it off it has to be hacksawed or broken and functionally destroyed. To me it's the difference between an open envelope and a sealed one: only one can be opened without destroying it. Krista Thanks Krista, you have put the difference very aptly. I suppose I see no benefit in a 'permanent' collar over a permanently locked one. A permanent one will cause hassle if an emergency arises and it needs to come off and has to be broken to allow this to happen. A permanently locked one gives exactly the same degree of permanence from the pov of the wearer but still gives the D/O/M control over it if necessary. maybe I am missing something? Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 16 Dec 08, 8:55 PM Paper_of_the_Pen CA, 3 yrs 315-076-759 wrote: Ou_pais wrote: Not a collar, but a metal locked ankle bracelet: Of four flights (involving a total of three different airports' security procedures) since having it locked on, i set off the metal detector only one time.....They wanded me and let me on the plane, no problem. One security guy asked how i got it on, & i blushed and stammered, "It has a mechanism." I first posted the following in "Errors of Leakage" on the Off Topic site but might be worth relaying here. Going through security at Manchester Airport, my ankle-ring triggered the alarm. I had indicated already that I had this chunk of metal on. So the security guy ran the wand over me and asked what the ankle-ring was for. I felt a bit cornered and just blurted it out. His answer was, "Sort of of role-play thing, is it?" "You could say that," I said. "Hmm! Y'know, you're the fourth slave we've had through here in the last hour. Enjoy your flight." There's more than one of us out there. <grins> This made me laugh...a lot ^_^ That's wicked-awesome 17 Dec 08, 10:23 PM moncherie US(CA), 3 yrs Sir Lawrence here: Thanks for all the feedback. I was on a company trip and didn't get much computer time so I am only now catching up. The collar has been ordered and I have decided to go with the removable one which can simply be secured by filling the catch with epoxy. This will effectively freeze the catch so it cannot be opened. Barring any MRI type medical problems I am confident that no issues will arrise since Cherie and I travel all the time and she has worn her current collar through security each time. And each time it sounds the alarm they just wand her, think she's punk or goth and wave her thru. In two years and over a dozen plane trips she has never been asked to take it off. I hope shortly after the new year Cherie will be wearing her new collar..... if she exceps it and the circumstances. She may not be ready yet but that's okay because I am giving her the choice of giving herself to me forever or not. When she's ready though, I'll be here. 22 Dec 08, 8:06 PM 268-147-674 6 yrs I went with the axsmar cuff in permanent. you will be happy with their work. Next page