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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Permanent Collar" 1 2 3 4 5 6 Permanent Collar (54) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Fri 5 Dec 08, 3:08 AM moncherie US(CA), 3 yrs Sir Lawrence here: In my never ending quest of finding new ways to subjugate my lovely slave slut I am considering a permanent steel collar for Cherie. Axmar of Germany sells a beautiful permanent steel collar which once locked cannot be opened. My question is this. Is there anyone here who has experience wearing something that is truly permanent or knows someone who does? If so, what has been your/their experience to date? Now I'm not looking for opinions or discussions about the ramifications of wearing a permanent collar because it's basically a done deal. In fact by the time Cherie even finds this post she'll most likely be wearing it. I'm looking for real world experiences here. Traveling experience, experiences with work, co-workers, family, medical personnel etc... My plan is to present Cherie with the collar and let her decide for herself if she is willing to give in to it's allure and lock it around her neck by her own hand. In that way she will truly demonstrate her willingness to give herself to me completely and freely for the rest of her life Thanks in advance. 5 Dec 08, 6:37 AM EilisMoonfire US(WA), 3 yrs I'm sorry I can't give you the advice you are looking for, like at all, but I can let you know Axmar does fantastic work. I have one of their locking collars and I highly recommend them. I hope you find the info you are looking for. eilis Master is home for the next 2 weeks 5 Dec 08, 8:36 AM Ms_Valentine UK, 3 yrs moncherie wrote: Permanent Collar My question is this. Is there anyone here who has experience wearing something that is truly permanent or knows someone who does? If so, what has been your/their experience to date? I'm looking for real world experiences here. Traveling experience, experiences with work, co-workers, family, medical personnel etc... Thanks in advance. Hi Ms Valentine here. My male sub/partner paul wears a thick silver rope chain locked with stainless steel lock around his neck 24/7. It has been in place for just under two years now.It is a sign of his lifetime commitment to me and our D/s relationship. I deliberately chose the thick silver chain as it looks like male jewellery and can be discreet especially if lock is pulled to the back. His real world experiences are quite varied. Travelling has never proved a problem. He travels abroad reasonably often for his work and has never had any problems with getting through security. He has always said if they did ask him to take it off he would explain it was locked and he did not have the key which would be true. Work has never been an issue as he wears it under his shirt and tie. A woman may have different issues at work unless she always wears a high necked garment to hide it or just brazens it out and deals with individual questions/comments as they arise. WE don't see family much so they have not been an issue. He did have a small medical procedure where they wanted the chain to be removed but as they hadn't asked in advance I didn't even have the key with me. I doubt I would have allowed it to come off anyway.It was not an absolute medical necessity more just their standard procedure for no jewellery to be worn. As it was, they just shielded the chain in a towel and went ahead. He told them it was locked on and there was no key available. A nurse asked him if it was a kind of chastity device. We nearly died laughing. Well, honestly with her being a medical worker, she should know where a chastity device would have to be fitted. Clearly she had some inkling of the kind of dynamic which existed but muddled it slightly. Bless her! So, I can't see any practical problems with wearing a collar 24/7. However, it helps if you are prepared to take measures for the sake of discretion in certain circumstances unless you want to be bombarded by awkward questions from vanilla friends, family and work colleagues. Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 5 Dec 08, 11:13 AM anjuli UK, 4 yrs I wear a permanent eternity collar which when it went on before I did my long-planned four month trip to Canada, it was J's intent, and mine, should never come off. It was fitted with the allen key and some loctite so that it was removable in extremis but certainly not easy. However, J felt that to send me on a transatlantic flight and a long stay away wihout a key was asking for trouble so I was given a key in a little plastic wallet for emergencies. I brazened my way thro security checks after setting off the alarms (this was when they were at their tightest, post 9/11) and managed to get away with not removing it. Saying things like, 'it's locked, I need a key, it will take some time...' and the airport security people wanded it and the rest of me and let me thro but they were curious and determined to examine it closely believe me. It stayed on thro some real trials of hot hot weather during that summer. I struggled, got a sore neck, had to sleep with a scarf around my neck to stop it rubbing in the heat, but I was determined not to take it off. When I got back it stayed put. Then I got sick and had to have a couple of major operations and a lot of medical treatment. It had to come off. You cannot go in an MRI scanner wearing anything metal, it will smash the scanner, ripping thro you on the way... not good. There is no arguing the point. And no way were they going to let me wear a tight (ish) solid stainless steel collar round my neck in the operating theatre... for all sorts of reasons like infection control, ease of access to neck and head and breathing, in case of emergency resussitation. It's back on permanently again now but I'm less panicky about removing it for short periods these days when J thinks it's a good idea or sees a need. I love it but I know he cares about me more than the collar. As you say, it's your decision. I still say you need to have a way to remove it, or be prepared to have it cut off if the need arises, knowing that it might endanger her life whilst they figure out how and get it done? Your call. anjuli ps. Forgot to add family challenged me (and were rebuffed) when they indicated they thought it was 'ridiculous' that I had slept in this uncomfortable thing... be prepared for that one. pps. Oh and there are threads on this subject in the history which you'll find by searching for collar I am sure. ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ Edited 5 Dec 08, 11:15 AM by anjuli 7 Dec 08, 4:00 AM 957-849-940 US(NY), 4 yrs Y! A Fellow slave that i know of wears such a collar, and i am both jealous and affraid of such a thing. He has worn it now for 2 years and he is happy and sad with it. Happy because it is exactly what he and his Master wanted. Sad because of todays current attitude with terrorism, he cannot be allowed on airplanes or any public venue. The collar sets off all the bells and buzzers, and since it is non-removeable. He has been refused entry. Also, one fact no-one has considered, until recently. He had the most difficult of time getting admitted into a hospital for minor surgury. As all metal, piercings and otherwise need to be removed. The surgury had to be done on an Out-patient status. This is something to think about. 9 Dec 08, 2:08 AM Ou_pais US, 5 yrs Not a collar, but a metal locked ankle bracelet: Of four flights (involving a total of three different airports' security procedures) since having it locked on, i set off the metal detector only one time, when i had forgotten i was also wearing a belt with some metal (less than the volume of the bracelet, so it must have been a cumulative thing). They wanded me and let me on the plan, no problem. One security guy asked how i got it on, & i blushed and stammered, "It has a mechanism." Oh, and i've also been through metal detectors into police stations at least twice with no problem. Not a locked collar, but a very visible dog's chain collar which i wore daily at work in a k-12 school for several months: Not a single adult, including the director of the program with whom i had daily contact and my direct supervisor, ever said anything. One of the high school girls (facial piercings, dyed pink hair) once told me she liked my necklace, so i said, "Thanks." pais Edited 9 Dec 08, 2:09 AM by Ou_pais 9 Dec 08, 4:56 AM Celeste US, 3 yrs My Master gifted me with an antique choker for my collar. It is a 12 kt gold snake-chain that is about 3/4" wide, quite heavy and sits at the base of my neck with about 1" to spare. The clasp is reinforced with a small screw. It is removable by my Master, but I can't take it off myself because of the angle of the clasp/screw and the limited amount of space between the collar and my neck. My Master chose it so that I can wear it 24/7 yet be discreet enough to be worn around family, co-workers, etc. It is comfortable when the weather is hot or cold, I can shower in it, etc. Because it is a piece of jewelry, I have yet to have any problems or questions about it. The only drawback was that it took a lot of time to find exactly what He was looking for and should it break, etc. it's not replaceable. 9 Dec 08, 2:19 PM 000-595-947 UK, 11 yrs I had an eternity collar which I wore for 10 months incloding flights etc however after a medical problem it became impossible. Luckily I have a rather lovely Richard Larsen Bracelet which has yet to cause any issues and although attracts attention it has always been to ask where I got it from. 9 Dec 08, 6:32 PM EvaMaria US(CA), 3 yrs I wore a locking collar until it caused concern during a visit to an emergency room. Even though nothing came of it, it did make us realize having no control over my collar also meant no control in what I chose to communicate to others as far as the collar's presence was concerned. Camille 9 Dec 08, 8:15 PM Sklavos_mou_Kyriah 3 yrs Ou_pais wrote: Not a collar, but a metal locked ankle bracelet: Of four flights (involving a total of three different airports' security procedures) since having it locked on, i set off the metal detector only one time.....They wanded me and let me on the plane, no problem. One security guy asked how i got it on, & i blushed and stammered, "It has a mechanism." I first posted the following in "Errors of Leakage" on the Off Topic site but might be worth relaying here. Going through security at Manchester Airport, my ankle-ring triggered the alarm. I had indicated already that I had this chunk of metal on. So the security guy ran the wand over me and asked what the ankle-ring was for. I felt a bit cornered and just blurted it out. His answer was, "Sort of of role-play thing, is it?" "You could say that," I said. "Hmm! Y'know, you're the fourth slave we've had through here in the last hour. Enjoy your flight." There's more than one of us out there. <grins> To be a true slave is to be truly free Slave/Sklavos 9 Dec 08, 9:12 PM VadFarkas US(AZ), 4 yrs I know you are not looking for "opinions or discussions about the ramifications of wearing a permanent collar" and that is why I held off adding my two cents until now. I would however like to address the permanent lock issue since I do have some experience with that. I can understand that the concept of a permanent locking collar is a hot one but I suggest you think this over very carefully... even Axsmar says "Better think twice". The other day I received yet another request with a link to a fastener site that sells "Tamper Proof" screws and the customer requested I use those in the item he wanted me to make for him. I replied that just last week I received two Rod and Ring collars to fix. That customer wrote that he had stripped the screws and asked me to replace them. I told him no problem I would do it for free. It took me over two hours to repair the two collars. Click the link to see the photo http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/tamperproof.jpg I don't know the circumstances or even if it was a medical situation that warranted the removal but it looks like they had to go to the fire department or a hardware store to get both collars cut off. My issue is permanently locking a collar on that NEITHER Master or slave can remove, I like Axsmar's products otherwise. Death and Taxes are pretty much escape proof... everything else just takes time and tools. Szervus, Vad Farkas, Ringsmith Next page