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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Slavery" Slavery (7) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Sat 22 Nov 08, 3:39 PM tainted_desire UK, 7 yrs Deleted td Edited Wed 18 Aug 10, 11:59 PM by tainted_desire 22 Nov 08, 9:14 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Absolutely beautiful. i can understand your words completely. Yes, our M/s dynamic is so much more powerful than any other relationship i'd ever been either. More powerful than my marriage (that failed), and much more powerful than my long term relationship with my older children's father. i feel so moved by Him, it is as though i would cease to exist if O/our relationship ended. i've always been submissive. i believe that is just what i am... but MacCain took me and stripped away the bits of me that held me back from happiness...allowing me to trust, and give Him everything...and become His slave. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. 22 Nov 08, 11:45 PM 119-812-164 US, 3 yrs yes, beautiful. my experience has been simultaneity. i have never been in submission to someone to whom i then became a slave. but i have entered into what i thought was a submissive role and found it to be slavery, from the first meeting, and so, here, immediate and at the same moment of submission, and now captured away from what that became to another of immediate and simultaneous submission and slavery, but then also, simultaneous property, preferably my last stage in that aspect of my journey. i have that 'eternal' bond also with my non-partner husband. we will always be family. it is equal belonging (which is why we failed.) there is no word for this relationship besides partner, but as Master comes, He enters into this family dynamic. that is my greatest hope, to be slave, wife, mother, step-mother, partner within a new version of the legacy W/we have now -- maybe that is it, the matter of legacy. submission and slavery intersect at this point of legacy, for me, when i am absorbed and my line is absorbed into my Master. this whole framework is why i am still so somehow conscious of (i cannot call him my owner) my former Master's child. while it was essential for He and i to part, i cannot help but feel separated from that legacy as i was being absorbed by it. without meaning to twist the original question, i am wondering now, also, about that trajectory from Master to Owner, if there is one. this question doesn't really parallel the original unless we phrase it to recognize the first part of this continuum and ask if there is, and if so when does it happen, a scenario where Dom becomes Master, or Owner, or both and if it somehow corresponds, or even Masters, the way the submissive/slave enters into enslavement and the state of being property. cheers, grl The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions.-- Alfred Lord Tennyson (1809 - 1892) Edited 22 Nov 08, 11:47 PM by 119-812-164 23 Nov 08, 3:05 PM slave_nebulina US(KS), 3 yrs tainted_desire wrote: , i have a security in him that i have never found anywhere else. I've eventually let go of my insecurities enough to give my all, and have found to my surprise that this has made me more content and happy than i ever dreamed possible. property_of_MacCain wrote: but MacCain took me and stripped away the bits of me that held me back from happiness...allowing me to trust, and give Him everything...and become His slave. Posted with permission of Master Odin. Master Odin and i have been married for 6 years. He has “polished the fine grain” and is stripping away all the dust bunnies that hold me back from being who I truly am. He saw a pain slut and slave heart in me long before i ever had the words to express what had been missing in my life. It's been three years since He started my formal training, careful to make sure that slave/masochist He saw in me was really there, and not something He projected or was something i was 'faking' to please him. (fake/lies REALLY displeases Him) He is a natural Master and He introduced me to websites describing the D/s lifestyle. It was like coming home, it hit at my heart and i felt strongly i wanted to be His slave, to be totally possessed by Him. It was the biggest single surprise of my life. It has not always been an easy journey – there have been past issues that were holding me back, but He is patient and consistent. He gives me the security i needed to work beyond past heartache and rigid more-radical-than-vanilla boundaries from my upbringing. This spring He honored me with His collar. When W/we have vanilla company, and W/we put the collar away for a bit, it's like a part of me is missing. i feel more naked without His collar than i when i am wearing nothing but His collar. It's a life journey i get the privilege of taking with and serving my Master. nebulina Tortured by pleasure, Pleasured by pain, liberated by enslavement. 24 Nov 08, 2:24 AM 619-837-780 US(AZ), 3 yrs I had to comment on your post as this feeling of being shackled to the wall is exactly what I am going through right now. You just put into words for me what I couldn't. I recently met my Master 4 months ago. I have never been a slave before. He got deep into my head where no one has ever been able to get before. I was abused both physically and sexually as a child and he had been with several slaves who had gone through the same thing. He has been incredibly patient with me everytime I freak out and get angry because I feel like I don't fit into his life. I came to this very late in life so I have always been very independent, but most of my relationships with men ended miserably. None of my friends would ever understand this part of me so I feel stuck between two worlds right now. The world I lived in before I met Master and the world I am in now which is still un-collared. We have not met in person yet and have only had long conversations, but every time I try to cut him off....I can not let go. It's like there is some strange power over me that I just don't understand and have never felt this way in my life. I have hit a wall here recently and know I can not go back. It is utterly terrifying. Can anyone tell me how they finally worked through this? tainted_desire wrote: Slavery When do you think that submission becomes slavery? For me I would have classed my self a slave for the past four years since my first Master, but the more I sit and think about it the more I realise, I wasn't, not really, I was just very submissive, yes we had all the traits of a M/s relationship, he controled everything from my nails to the clothes I wore, but I didn't feel it, i followed his rules etc cause it was what i knew was expected of me, but i never realy felt like i was his. With my current M, it's been a gradual realisation, that I am infact not just his submissive I am literally his slave, every part of me is his, my heart, mind, soul and body. This was just recently compounded by the fact when I wasn't happy with a certain situation and I realised I had two options, to either walk away or stay and accept, and to my horror I found that although my head was screaming for me to go, get out, I couldn't, there was nothing physically stopping me, but, i was just as incapable of leaving as i would have been if somebody had shackled me to the wall, that's when i did indeed realise that i was his slave. The IE had begun and I hadnt even been aware of it. I have found a great deal of happiness in just accepting that i am his regardless, i love him uncondtionally, he is the man, i worship, trust and adore. I also realised something else, i was holding myself back because i knew he never loved me the way i loved him, don't get me wrong i know i mean a great deal to him, i'm his best friend, his rock, he cares deeply for me, but we are not lovers (though we do have a very sexual D/s dynamic, we are more or less a perfect fit) nor bf/gf, we are Master/slave, then it suddenly dawned on me, i didn't want us to be lovers or bf/gf, what we share as M/s, the intensity, openess and trust is more than we could ever share as bf/gf. It doesn't matter if he doesn't love me in that way back, i know that he's always gonna be there in my life, i have a security in him that i have never found anywhere else. I've eventually let go of my insecurities enough to give my all, and have found to my surprise that this has made me more content and happy than i ever dreamed possible. td 24 Nov 08, 4:14 AM Bella_Ragazza US(RI), 6 yrs I agree with alot that has been posted. I myself aways new I had the ability to be a slave. I so despretly wanted that with my soon to be ex husband/ ex Master. When I meet my current Master was when I realized what is ment by IE. It's a wonderfull feeling when you realize you TRUELY belong to someone, heart,body,mind, and soul. (Even If I tried to ignore th feeling, I know It would have not worked.) I am so thankful that Master embraced me for who I am and found himself through me. And so the nilla man found himself with a slave LOL. 24 Nov 08, 6:07 AM 662-935-655 5 yrs tainted_desire wrote: Slavery When do you think that submission becomes slavery? For me I would have classed my self a slave for the past four years since my first Master, but the more I sit and think about it the more I realise, I wasn't, not really, I was just very submissive, yes we had all the traits of a M/s relationship, he controled everything from my nails to the clothes I wore, but I didn't feel it, i followed his rules etc cause it was what i knew was expected of me, but i never realy felt like i was his. With my current M, it's been a gradual realisation, that I am infact not just his submissive I am literally his slave, every part of me is his, my heart, mind, soul and body. This was just recently compounded by the fact when I wasn't happy with a certain situation and I realised I had two options, to either walk away or stay and accept, and to my horror I found that although my head was screaming for me to go, get out, I couldn't, there was nothing physically stopping me, but, i was just as incapable of leaving as i would have been if somebody had shackled me to the wall, that's when i did indeed realise that i was his slave. The IE had begun and I hadnt even been aware of it. I have found a great deal of happiness in just accepting that i am his regardless, i love him uncondtionally, he is the man, i worship, trust and adore. I also realised something else, i was holding myself back because i knew he never loved me the way i loved him, don't get me wrong i know i mean a great deal to him, i'm his best friend, his rock, he cares deeply for me, but we are not lovers (though we do have a very sexual D/s dynamic, we are more or less a perfect fit) nor bf/gf, we are Master/slave, then it suddenly dawned on me, i didn't want us to be lovers or bf/gf, what we share as M/s, the intensity, openess and trust is more than we could ever share as bf/gf. It doesn't matter if he doesn't love me in that way back, i know that he's always gonna be there in my life, i have a security in him that i have never found anywhere else. I've eventually let go of my insecurities enough to give my all, and have found to my surprise that this has made me more content and happy than i ever dreamed possible. td For me, with the Right Person at the Right time and not a moment before - or since, considering my oaths to Him. (GRIN) And congratulations on your awakening - i'm so happy for you! j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! alias "granny" matrika ye olde crone, blessed be! Edited 24 Nov 08, 6:08 AM by 662-935-655 24 Nov 08, 10:18 AM deb0rah UK, 10 yrs Hi I don't think it stops actually. We have been together for seven years this December and we started as a ds couple looking for casual fun play. It developed and we became Ms, actually at a point where I realise now that I wasn't ready. Seven years on after a lot of issues, times shared good and bad, I am ready. Why? Lots of reasons have made me come to this point now I guess. I feel safe when he holds me, I love to please him and know that everything I do can helps us and helps him, I need him to breathe clearly, I want him and would do anything for him, the realisation that he is human and not perfect and that we both make mistakes, knowing that when he hurts me he holds me and lets me be who I truly want to be, that in me he sees good, knowing that by enslaving and chaining me up he is setting me free, accepting that all those things that I say and do for him are accepted by him, knowing that when I say things that are humiliating it makes him smile. The list is endless and we all have our own. He has remained stable and loving through all the times we have gone through and has over time, slowly and surely made me his. It wasn't an over night there we go, it has been worked on for all this time and will always be worked upon to enable it to carry on working. The last few months I have seen changes in me I wouldn't have recognised or accepted before as I have been broken to enable my freedom within his ownership, simply perfect. I was a bird that needed it's wings clipped in order to soar! I feel though that the realisation shouldn't be one thing, but a process that is on going and developing, deepening and widening that which means the world to me, his ownership of me. It is not something that is stationary and seven years has made me realise that actually its parameters are always moving and you need to adapt and move. To say yep I am owned isn't enough over the long term, you have to grow through the process together. Debs xx "Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man." John Knox Edited 24 Nov 08, 10:20 AM by deb0rah