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	TSR : Web boards : Other Topics : "Obedience" Obedience (9) This post is on the Other Topics web board. Sun 16 Nov 08, 8:50 AM 613-411-535 3 yrs I have just been told that i may never refuse any order. I have accepted that. Slavery or submission? 16 Nov 08, 9:33 AM 119-812-164 US, 3 yrs 613-411-535 wrote: Obedience I have just been told that i may never refuse any order. I have accepted that. Slavery or submission? i don't understand your question. it is the onus of service for a submissive to accept every order. it does not *make* one a slave, in my opinion. to be or not to be a slave involves a myriad of other things not the least of which is your disposition to be so, or not to be so ... i'm interested in what you might be thinking ... it's unclear to me ... smiles, girl The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions.-- Alfred Lord Tennyson (1809 - 1892) 17 Nov 08, 12:08 AM stupidstupidgirl 3 yrs 613-411-535 wrote: Obedience I have just been told that i may never refuse any order. I have accepted that. Slavery or submission? Of course you don't have to accept that .. you can always leave. Are you trying to determine the difference between slavery and submission? It is more than just 'never refusing an order'. Could you be more clear on your question? Sometimes when you decide it is no longer worth the pain of the search, you find what it was you were looking for in the first place. I am completely owned and loved. 17 Nov 08, 2:15 PM SeanT70 9 yrs 613-411-535 wrote: Obedience I have just been told that i may never refuse any order. I have accepted that. Slavery or submission? Is it not more accurate to suugest that you submit (in submission) to the will of your D/O/M, as their slave (in slavery)? I'm just surmising, like, given that whether or not you're a submissive or slave is irrelevant - you still 'submit' to something, using the term 'submission', in any case. I guess in the literal sense, that would make it slavery, since you have no choice but to comply with your master's orders. Lovingly Owned by ~Miss Phay~ 17 Nov 08, 10:45 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs I'd argue that there are more questions than that, even, because slavery isn't a matter of agreeing not to refuse orders, it's a matter of not being able to revoke the dominant's authority. Someone who is bound by a promise not to refuse orders still has a *choice*; it's a choice between obeying, and breaking their word. Someone who is held in enslavement by a dominant with complete authority has no choice, unless it's between the hard way and the easy way. Obedience does not a slave make (and disobedience does not a slave unmake). Krista It's like trying to correct the math of somebody adding two and three when they're working under the notion that two means six and three means paprika. 26 Nov 08, 5:22 PM 119-812-164 US, 3 yrs little_linnet wrote: Obedience does not a slave make (and disobedience does not a slave unmake). Krista i kind of want this on the front and back of a t-shirt now .. The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions.-- Alfred Lord Tennyson (1809 - 1892) 27 Nov 08, 12:07 AM Blush4Him US, 4 yrs 119-812-164 wrote: little_linnet wrote: Obedience does not a slave make (and disobedience does not a slave unmake). Krista i kind of want this on the front and back of a t-shirt now .. Me too! Beautifully worded, Krista. Thank you! I have yet to give my consent to being slashed! 27 Nov 08, 2:11 PM 541-969-139 6 yrs £ rule one obey rule two see rule one from a slave i became a dom master come slave girls join me in my slave harem 2 Jan 09, 8:07 PM 744-490-393 US, 3 yrs am willing to serve u 7 Jan 09, 4:01 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs I'm sure it's very flattering to our kind host and all that but copying Tanos's own words from his 'Obedience Dynamics' essay on the IE site onto another of his sites as tho you wrote the words yourself is a little shortsighted, no? Many here will have read them already and recognise them. And plagarising the very person who owns the site sort of compounds the crime, doesn't it? I hope you'll delete or amend your post to give credit where it's due or indeed link to Tanos's work... we all do that a lot and it's quite acceptable. Again on your other recent post about SCC and RACK which is taken from the wiki is neither helpful nor impressive. An ability to copy and paste is not really indicative of any ability to think about what your writing or offer advice, and certainly not of your ability to Master. You are preaching to the choir and many of us are as more familiar with the source material than you have clearly allowed for. I will do you a deal and commit to amend this post to read more kindly if you will edit the offending posts and then cease what you're doing and either contribute honestly and of your own thinking or not at all. Thank you. anjuli *** “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” Anais Nin ***