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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Looking for info on DD" 1 2 Looking for info on DD (14) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Tue 14 Oct 08, 6:37 AM EilisMoonfire US(WA), 4 yrs Hey everyone, I've been looking around the web for info on DD, and I've found a couple good sites that I have now exhausted, and a bunch of sites with discussions on how it's scripture based/"how can any intelligent woman let herself be tortured and abused?!" Master and I are non-Christian or even non-Abrahamic for that matter, so anything scripture based is lost on us. Any help is welcome eilis One day soon Master will come home and this slave will be whole again. 14 Oct 08, 11:11 AM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs DD? Could you elaborate. You'd probably get more responses if we knew what the question was. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. 14 Oct 08, 11:19 AM Andrin DE, 3 yrs <grins> As many foreign language acronyms it left me puzzled too. First I looked in Wikipedia, where some 30 explanations are given for "DD", but none that I thought would hit the nail. But on the SD! Wiki I found "domestic discipline" and I reckon that's what is spoken about. Regards Sir Andrin 14 Oct 08, 11:37 AM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Ahhh. Thanks Andrin. The only thing that was popping into my head was Dungeons and Dragons, and i was pretty sure that wasn't right. OP: If you do a search for "Taken in Hand" bunches of sites pop up. i don't know which ones you've read. i found a good one some time ago i'll try to re-find. It may have had a Christian theme to it though... i just don't pay attention to those parts as they don't apply to us either. Hope this helps. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. 14 Oct 08, 5:20 PM x_Ancilla_x 4 yrs Yes DD = Domestic Discipline. OP try: http://lovingdd.blogspot.com/ if this isn't one of the sites you've already exhausted. The site owner has written numerous essays about different aspects of DD and also two books. Whilst this isn't a Christian site, the only problem (from my point of view) is that he writes from the position of women being naturally submissive and men dominant in their relationships. As I'm in a M/f dynamic however, I found much that was useful. I have to say, I became uncomfortable with many DD sites because as you observe, many DD practitioners seem to come from the Biblical position of the woman being submissive to the man or alternatively, a 'biological/evolutionary' position of men being 'naturally' dominant and women 'naturally' submissive, neither of which concepts I can subscribe to. 14 Oct 08, 7:54 PM EilisMoonfire US(WA), 4 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: The only thing that was popping into my head was Dungeons and Dragons, and i was pretty sure that wasn't right. Lmao, if you can find D&D bdsm/bondage that would be the best worst thing ever, especially since Master is such a D&D nerd. Yes, I was looking for domestic discipline, sorry for being non-specific. eilis One day soon Master will come home and this slave will be whole again. 14 Oct 08, 8:15 PM little_linnet US, 6 yrs x_Ancilla_x wrote: I have to say, I became uncomfortable with many DD sites because as you observe, many DD practitioners seem to come from the Biblical position of the woman being submissive to the man or alternatively, a 'biological/evolutionary' position of men being 'naturally' dominant and women 'naturally' submissive, neither of which concepts I can subscribe to. Me too. As a feminist I find them so far from my reality that I have trouble finding anything they say to be relevant in my life. Krista Now I'm going to marry my first wife, then I'm going to divorce her. Now, I know what you're going to say, but stick with me, my story gets better! I'm going to marry my second wife, then I'm going to kill her! Cut her head off! Ah, you weren't expecting that, were you? Third wife, going to shoot her! 14 Oct 08, 8:37 PM EligibleOwner UK, 7 yrs little_linnet wrote: x_Ancilla_x wrote: I have to say, I became uncomfortable with many DD sites because as you observe, many DD practitioners seem to come from the Biblical position of the woman being submissive to the man or alternatively, a 'biological/evolutionary' position of men being 'naturally' dominant and women 'naturally' submissive, neither of which concepts I can subscribe to. Me too. As a feminist I find them so far from my reality that I have trouble finding anything they say to be relevant in my life. Krista I agree with you both, but not all of us who are interested in Taken in Hand or DD subscribe to this "God-given" or "natural order" sort of thinking - and those of us who are feminists (and their supportive dominant boyfriends) need to speak up to make sure interested newbies don't get the wrong idea. 15 Oct 08, 12:48 AM 000-733-561 BE, 11 yrs Y! Just a thought: Domestic Discipline should not always mean disciplined wife, does it? 15 Oct 08, 2:57 AM EilisMoonfire US(WA), 4 yrs 000-733-561 wrote: Just a thought: Domestic Discipline should not always mean disciplined wife, does it? No, there are a lot of F/m DD couples and web sites. I keep running into those. One day soon Master will come home and this slave will be whole again. 15 Oct 08, 3:45 AM x_Ancilla_x 4 yrs little_linnet wrote: x_Ancilla_x wrote: I have to say, I became uncomfortable with many DD sites because as you observe, many DD practitioners seem to come from the Biblical position of the woman being submissive to the man or alternatively, a 'biological/evolutionary' position of men being 'naturally' dominant and women 'naturally' submissive, neither of which concepts I can subscribe to. Me too. As a feminist I find them so far from my reality that I have trouble finding anything they say to be relevant in my life. Krista That's why I came to the SD! forum. I wanted a site where the contributors accepted the reality of dominant women, submissive men and same sex relationships where one partner might be dominant and one submissive without it being implied by some contributors that these kinds of relationships were somehow outside the scope of what was 'natural'. As a feminist also, I had huge trouble with the periodic views that feminism was responsible for all the ills of modern society and if we could all somehow go back to the 1950's everyone would be happier. Authority wrote: I agree with you both, but not all of us who are interested in Taken in Hand or DD subscribe to this "God-given" or "natural order" sort of thinking - and those of us who are feminists (and their supportive dominant boyfriends) need to speak up to make sure interested newbies don't get the wrong idea. Yes that's true of course Authority and on the Taken in Hand site particularly, there are many people who make clear that they don't think that way. However unfortunately M/f DD sites by their very nature seem to attract a lot of people with a 'natural order' mindset by virtue, I suppose, of focusing on monogamous, traditional-type relationships in which the woman defers to the man. The Taken in Hand site itself doesn't seem to take a position on whether the M/f dynamic is natural to mankind or only natural to individuals who choose it as a lifestyle. It entertains a spectrum of opinion. However I came to feel that just by posting on the site about my relationship I was somehow encouraging those who are seeking to demonstrate (if only to themselves) that women are 'naturally' subordinate to men. Quite apart from that, I found the site doesn't really discuss the psychological process of deepening submission and its consequences as is discussed here. The Loving DD site to which I gave the link above does discuss this, but only insofar as it equates submission with femininity. Finally my relationship took a turn from a DD into an M/s model, prompted by my M, so for this and the reasons already given, I came to feel more at home with the SD forum rather than DD-type sites. 000-733-561 wrote: Just a thought: Domestic Discipline should not always mean disciplined wife, does it? No, as EllisMoonfire says but since I have an M/f dynamic, I never really investigated F/m DD sites and as the OP identified as a submissive female, I provided a link to a M/f DD site. Next page