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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "A Master and his word" 1 2 A Master and his word (16) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Tue 16 Sep 08, 12:42 PM wandernlilsoul US(CA), 3 yrs Any opinions on a Master or Dominant that cannot keep his word to his Submissive? I find it highly unsettling myself, especially since this is a relationship based on and bound in trust. Without it, I cannot,and will not submit. Edited Tue 16 Sep 08, 2:07 PM by wandernlilsoul 16 Sep 08, 1:46 PM Ms_Valentine UK, 4 yrs wandernlilsoul wrote: A Master and his word Amy opinions on a Master or Dominant that cannot keep his word to his Submissive? I find it highly unsettling myself, especially since this is a relationship based on and bound in trust. Without it, I cannot,and will not submit. I think that you may have answered your own question, wandernlilsoul. You say you cannot submit without trust and the dominant is breaking that trust, you must decide if you want to live in a situation where you are not true to yourself. I think you know what the answer to that is. It may be hard to break away from someone but it is better than feeling unsettled and unhappy. A man doesn't have to give his word and should not do so lightly but once done, he should keep to it. Anything else is dishonourable. Controversial views of Ms_Valentine. No 1. Slaves submit no more deeply than subs can do. No 2. Terms such as a 'sub' or a 'slave' describe a state of being, not a level of submission, importance or place in a hierarchy. 3. Submission?.. no limits necessary. 16 Sep 08, 2:10 PM wandernlilsoul US(CA), 3 yrs Ms. Valentine, It appears that yes , I did. Occasionally feed back from another source helps solidify. Thank you. 16 Sep 08, 4:45 PM 613-411-535 3 yrs No trust = no relationship 16 Sep 08, 6:45 PM Meritaten US(TN), 6 yrs Master is very big on communication, for without it, there can be no trust, and if trust is the foundation upon which our relationship is built...well, let's just say ya can't build a mansion on a shit foundation. When He gives His word, i trust it completely. Any Dominant who gives His word, (His used as a "catchall" pronoun here), should at all costs keep His word. On the other side of the same coin, any slave/sub who gives her word should keep her word. Trust runs both ways. So honesty and integrity are big factors, and you're right, wanderinglilsoul, you really cannot submit to Someone who doesn't keep His word. i'd bet that He'd be fully expecting you to keep yours, don't you think? -hugs- meriaton - slave of Akhenaton http://meriaton.byethost12.com/blog/blog4.php Sometimes a sense of humor is the only sense i have! 16 Sep 08, 9:18 PM wandernlilsoul US(CA), 3 yrs meriathon, absolutely, and that is a huge pet peeve with me, if i give my word or promise, you can bet your sweet ass im going to come thru... unless there is an emergency of some sort and then , you would know where why and when. thanks for your input everyone .. much appreciate it. hugs~ Soul 16 Sep 08, 10:07 PM 662-935-655 5 yrs Ms_Valentine wrote: wandernlilsoul wrote: A Master and his word Amy opinions on a Master or Dominant that cannot keep his word to his Submissive? I find it highly unsettling myself, especially since this is a relationship based on and bound in trust. Without it, I cannot,and will not submit. I think that you may have answered your own question, wandernlilsoul. You say you cannot submit without trust and the dominant is breaking that trust, you must decide if you want to live in a situation where you are not true to yourself. I think you know what the answer to that is. It may be hard to break away from someone but it is better than feeling unsettled and unhappy. A man doesn't have to give his word and should not do so lightly but once done, he should keep to it. Anything else is dishonourable. Well said as always - while i am OCD on one subject and have to add if f/folks know E/each O/other better before jumping in on serious commitment, it might work out better - i don't know if this is the case for the OP here or not. But so many F/folks jump into bed - vanilla included - with P/people they don't barely know. And that does NOT count knowing each other only online. That's just my opinion and i've done it myself, so i know i have 3 fingers pointing back at me when i point at othes. i just got darn good and lucky with my last of 4 marriages - that one being to my late Master. G. or WHATEVER, does take care of fools and drunks - even and/or esp. sober ones like Master and i were. Often in spite of O/ourselves. i like old school - a collar of consideration for a year, a collar of training and a formal collar, as well as a written (though non-legal) contract renewed from time to time. And if T/they are to marry, definitely a legal pre-nup. That's just my way of thinking for F/folks to maybe have some protection - and not just slaves. Masters now-a-days need protection from charges of criminal abuse and also from free-loaders who are just looking for a free ride. of course in my case, Master and i had a vanilla marriage for 10 years before going M/s and collaring me once and for all - i'm pretty sure W/we knew each other long enough. But W/we did jump into that vanilla marriage - which caused all kinds of problems before that. Don't they teach the tail of the tortoise and the hare in early grammar school these days? Slow and steady wins the race! i will jump off the soap-box now but reserve the right to jump back on it when this issue continually comes up again with S/someone E/else - LMAO!!!!!!!! And, lest anyone ask, by OCD on ths subkect, i do mean obsessive/compulsive - which i am on this. my late Master always said commitment is more important than love, although W/we did love each other very much. And He was right - although i thought it was quite unromantic of Him the first time He said it. (GRIN) j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin 16 Sep 08, 10:15 PM wandernlilsoul US(CA), 3 yrs It was NOt a case of leaping before you look.. for the record. 16 Sep 08, 10:24 PM 555-907-356 US(GA), 3 yrs wandernlilsoul wrote: A Master and his word Any opinions on a Master or Dominant that cannot keep his word to his Submissive? I find it highly unsettling myself, especially since this is a relationship based on and bound in trust. Without it, I cannot,and will not submit. For me trust is hard to give and a loss of trust is even harder to repair. I could not in any way be in a relationship like this one with out trust. I could not do the things I do with Sir if I did not trust Him with every part of me. So i agree with out trust i cannot and will not submit either its just not in me to do so. 16 Sep 08, 10:42 PM Dreamshaper US(FL), 3 yrs I would really like to go on a rant here and say "show him to me and I will personally hang him form a tree by his nuts" but I won't. I come from a time (and lifestyle) where a man's word was his bond, and firmly believe in the consept. If there comes a time when I cannot for reasons beyond my control keep my word, I would be responsible for an explingation.............yes even to my slave. To do any less would just not be the Master I am, period. Master Fred Alcohol is not the answer, it just makes you forget the question. 16 Sep 08, 10:50 PM deb0rah UK, 10 yrs Good old fashioned honour, it's a miscounted non popularist tradition but has to be part of what Ms is all about for me. We all get it wrong, we all don't quite manage to live up to an expectation, but we have to do that honourably whilst intending to try and achieve that goal. He may have made a mistake, he may not have meant it, he clearly isn't for you! Debs xx "Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man." John Knox Next page