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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "HELP!! I was bad!!!" 1 2 3 4 5 HELP!! I was bad!!! (48) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 7 Sep 08, 7:26 PM Tragopan US(CA), 4 yrs Master_Kurt wrote: ... Mr. Tragopan. this is possibly the wisest quote I have ever heard spoken. Before an act is made real, it must be conceived, born in the mind, fantasized Thanks! Nice to know I get it right now and then... --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 9 Sep 08, 3:30 PM MasterKAM US(ME), 4 yrs Y! Hello one and all: I just got back from being away, and have read many new post and then I hit this one.LOLOL I have been a member of this site for a long time and I have seen and dealt with all kinds of Dom/Domme and subs/slaves, I've heard all kinds of things from both sides that I wanted to get up and smack them in the head and say " what the hell are you thinking?" But I don't. I sit there and ask them questions that make them think of whats going on and how they react. Matter of fact I do have allot of training and pride myself on knowing when to tread lightly or to run as fast as heck to get far away before the explosion. We all have a right to our feelings and some who aren't able to express them self in words like they wish on a board do tend to get in some trouble. It doesn't matter what board or site your on, the simple thing is you respect all options given M or s and realize just because they are sub/slave they aren't yours and if they are out of line in what they do or say that there DOM/DOMME will take care of that problem in there own way. All you have to do is deal with your own sub/slave period. Life all ready has to many folks who stick there nose where it doesn't belong and yap away.. There is allot of sound advice on here to learn from, the best advice I have seen is to take control of your own reality and treat your sub/slave as need be for the offense, if your incorrect about it then you learn from that mistake and move on and dont repeat it again. I don't feel it is proper for some to say, " didn't you research this thread or think before posting." Sometimes researching information can take a long time with all the material out there and it can make you more confused then when you started, I will continue on this topic more in another post. MasterKAM 9 Sep 08, 4:58 PM 890-876-591 UK, 4 yrs My greetings Rowdy, to you and yours. I'm not going to add fuel to the fire by reiterating or arguing points that are getting totally out of hand, I'm just going to answer your question as best as I can. I too am a passionate woman, I have had to learn not to bottle feelings up and explode six months later. I have harpied with the best of them and screamed at my master, almost lost him too, but he has been patient and is training me to respond to anxieties or problems in an appropriate manner, as I am sure you are trying to do also. To this end, I have very simple advice: Talk to her. Find out what sparked it off, and why she felt she couldn't talk to you about it earlier. Are there underlying issues from her past that made it a sticky subject? It may be that some elaborate punishment won't help long term. It seems that for some new subs/slaves they feel that they CANT talk to their masters/dominants/owners because it isn't 'slavelike' or appropriate behaviour for a submissive. I've been there, I'll hold my hands up to that one. Make sure that she feels able to talk to you about ANYTHING that is bothering her. That doesn't mean you have to change it, just that you should listen to her, understand her. Master and I have times set aside when we can talk about anything that is going on in our lives. I am allowed to speak freely at these times, but must still be polite, obviously. I am going through a stressful situation at the minute, and appreciate that there will be time made to sit down and talk through any behaviour or requests that are causing obsticals for either of us. I'm going to shut up now, before i totally lose my train of thought. I wish you both the best of luck. You gave me a life, now show me how to live 9 Sep 08, 10:29 PM DragonLove GR, 3 yrs Tragopan wrote: Welcome, Master Rowdy and his slave Allie. Please do not be put off by this recent exchange. Please stay and share with us, and many of us will welcome you, and share in return. Clear-eyed TANOS, at whose table we are all guests, in His wisdom, has not berated you or expelled you. The table is large, and well-provisioned, and there is enough for everyone. If you are not welcome at one end of the table, then come join us elsewhere in this vast repast. Many of us will welcome you with good hearts. Our fierce guard dogs, the ladies of the SPM (the Society for the Prevention of Masturbators), whose words are often intelligent, well-informed, acute, witty, and highly-valued by us, sometimes bark a little too loudly. We are all very fond of them, and value their insights and contributions, and so, like far-seeing TANOS, we overlook their excesses. Pay close attention to what they say - you will learn much. I have learned a lot from them. They are right most often, and we all learn from them, but when they are wrong, simply pay them no mind. Let's all treat each other with respect. If newcomers err, let's not drive them away with our words. Will we destroy our own community from within? Be the community that you would like to find here... Sneering, berating, harassing, name-calling - do these things honor our host, wise TANOS? We all sometimes forget to take a long, hard look in the mirror before criticising others. Masturbators? Pay them no mind. I deeply sympathize with the SPM - I can only imagine how cluttered their memo-boxes must be with annoying communications from the jerk-offs, and their anger is no doubt well-justified. Even my own slave Atropa has received one or two. But we sometimes forget that we _all_ started out as fantasists and masturbators. Before an act is made real, it must be conceived, born in the mind, fantasized... Some of my earliest memories are of jerking off imagining what I would do to My slave-girl - but a three or four-year old preschooler hardly had the opportunity to enslave a 24-year old woman (particularly back in the1950s), so of necessity I fantasized and masturbated for many years. Every one of us began that way. Without exception. Little linnet, tangie, Tiara, even great TANOS Himself. So let us have some compassion for those of us who are not yet able to live the life in reality, and have to be satisfied with fantasy. They are the future members of our community! I wish them the best of success in finding slaves and Masters of their own. I do not wish to drive them away, but would rather they stay, learn (with respect), and eventually make their fantasies real. Every one of us began as a beginner. Speaking from the grey-haired part of life, having first collared and whipped my slave sometime in the late 70s, when even our experienced ladies of the SPM were just toddlers, or perhaps not even born, I can say that they too are just beginners. And I'm sure there are white-haired members of our community, who were keeping slaves before I was born. And so _I_, too, am just a beginner - because I am still learning, and I hope to be a beginner forever - when you stop learning, you start dying, as the saying goes. Master Rowdy and his slave Allie, it is very clear from the content of your and your slave's posts that you are two different people, and anyone who mistook you for a dreaded masturbator was mistaken. You apologized because of your error which apparently offended some of us, and perhaps if anyone called you a masturbator, they too might apologize for their error. They have explained and well-justified their anger to all of us, and we all get the message, so perhaps they can do the right thing and start mending things here. At this point, it is up to them - you and your slave have shown character and done your share. No one here - not even far-seeing TANOS Himself - can tell you that you are not a "real" Master or slave. You are what you are, and I recognize the genuine in what I have read. There are many of us here, not all of us post a lot. Many of us welcome you to our community, and hope you will stay. Wise TANOS has prepared this table, and we are all His guests. I hope to comport myself in a way that does not dishonor Him. The mother of all comments. This is how dominance dominates.. with intelligence, tact, balance, fairness, understanding and humility. My hat is off to you, Sir. 10 Sep 08, 2:19 AM 655-147-966 US(IL), 4 yrs Y! MasterKAM wrote: Hello one and all: I just got back from being away, and have read many new post and then I hit this one.LOLOL I have been a member of this site for a long time and I have seen and dealt with all kinds of Dom/Domme and subs/slaves, I've heard all kinds of things from both sides that I wanted to get up and smack them in the head and say " what the hell are you thinking?" But I don't. I sit there and ask them questions that make them think of whats going on and how they react. Matter of fact I do have allot of training and pride myself on knowing when to tread lightly or to run as fast as heck to get far away before the explosion. We all have a right to our feelings and some who aren't able to express them self in words like they wish on a board do tend to get in some trouble. It doesn't matter what board or site your on, the simple thing is you respect all options given M or s and realize just because they are sub/slave they aren't yours and if they are out of line in what they do or say that there DOM/DOMME will take care of that problem in there own way. All you have to do is deal with your own sub/slave period. Life all ready has to many folks who stick there nose where it doesn't belong and yap away.. There is allot of sound advice on here to learn from, the best advice I have seen is to take control of your own reality and treat your sub/slave as need be for the offense, if your incorrect about it then you learn from that mistake and move on and dont repeat it again. I don't feel it is proper for some to say, " didn't you research this thread or think before posting." Sometimes researching information can take a long time with all the material out there and it can make you more confused then when you started, I will continue on this topic more in another post. MasterKAM welcome back MasterKAM...this slave has to say that she agrees with you that if a sub/slave is out of line and they are not yours then its that sub/slaves Masters' responsibilty to take care of it.. only the Master of that sub/slave that has done the offensense knows how to correct it in a way that it won't happen again. if another Master has a problem/issue with a sub/slave that is not his/hers they should address it with that sub/slaves Master. yes there is alot of information to be gotten from this site and from other sites and even other Masters and slaves.. whats wrong for one person/couple may or may not be wrong for another... this slaves Master makes her laugh, cry, and smile..she is very happy to say that she is the owned property and devoted slave of MASTERKAM/SIRK this slave posts and emails with her Masters' permission. Master reads all postings and emails. 15 Sep 08, 2:57 AM Tragopan US(CA), 4 yrs DragonLove wrote: Tragopan wrote: Welcome, Master Rowdy and his slave Allie... The mother of all comments. This is how dominance dominates.. with intelligence, tact, balance, fairness, understanding and humility. My hat is off to you, Sir. Thank you! I just tried to be polite, and tried to help this forum stay a friendly, welcoming place. --Tragopan "From darkness, light." 20 Sep 08, 1:35 AM Morniel US, 4 yrs 994-437-094 wrote: HELP!! I was bad!!! I am posting this with my Master's permission. I have come here to seek advice on a pending punishment that I have coming my way. Long story short I most definitely overstepped my boundaries as my Master's slave! I not only defied rules that He had set in place but disrespected Him in various ways. I verbally abused Him and as an immediate consequence, I almost lost my Master, my lover, and my best friend. Along with his forgiveness, He has asked me to post this in hopes of gathering a wide opinion on the punishment that His slave deserves. Do not hold back and please be specific. I need put back in my proper place! This was the original post, for those who forgot, or got off track. First of all, you and your partner seem to have rules or guidelines in place, and you are aware of what they are. You overstepped or broke rules; you are aware that you have to take the consequences of that. In your guidelines or rules, did you make provisions for discipline/correction? Some folks do, and put them down "on paper" so that they can refer to them, remember them, and possibly, avoid having to take those consequences. If you haven't done that, you may want to do that soon. In my experience, it's best to separate "erotic punishment" from real world, real life, discipline and correction. One is supposed to be fun, or at least part of the bedroom dynamic, and the other is supposed to be very UN-fun, so that it helps stop or correct a misbehaviour. As far as ideas for such discipline or correction, since people are all different, effective correction is different for everyone, too. What works on me, may not work for you. What works on you, may not work on your children, and so on. However, bearing that in mind, some things that do seem to help are: Time out (go to your room for a specified interval, no talking, TV, phone, computer, books, whatever). Essay writing (This was the rule; I broke it; I broke it because; I know I disappointed you by breaking it -- even if the reason you broke the "Call me at 5pm rule" was that you were busy having a baby and were in labour at the time") Grounding (similiar to time out, but it lasts for a day or two, instead of a half hour or an evening). Some of these work for some people, and they may work for you and your partner. However, keep in mind, regardless of the infraction, there still must be communication -- "You broke the rule"... "Yes, I did".... "You know the rules are made for your benefit and mine?" ... "I know it, I just ---" and go from there. I hope this helps, or at least gives you ideas. Morniel's Special Place 26 Sep 08, 2:50 PM Master_Rowdy US(PA), 3 yrs I just wanted to thank everyone who has read this post and how long it has gotten. I have read through every post on here and took many mental and writen notes. Some were very helpful and yet some were not. This is to be expected in any fourm that one joins because everyone has a different look on life. Now I am not here to fight, offend, or even piss anyone off. I am truely here to learn and to take in what everyone has to say. I am sorry that this post started out the way it did. All I ask from thoseof you that are wiser and more experienced than myself is to please be patient. I have read through many back posts (not all I do have school and work) but I have taken many things from those posts also. So again on behalf of my slave and myself I apoligize for the flame war we have started.