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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "enslavement contract" 1 2 enslavement contract (11) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Sun 13 Jul 08, 11:19 AM slaveforever IT, 4 yrs Blank, I ask if you can help to find a contract copy me of submission from being able to unload and to copy. thanks and regards 13 Jul 08, 2:10 PM 621-375-058 3 yrs When Master began talking of collaring and owning me and about the contract, I was curious as to what one could possibly say so I searched online. http://www.vixenrose.com/s4sContract.html Please keep in mind that all contracts are different. Some of the things on the above contract were also in mine however, Master also added in other things, other demands, that were more personal to us. The above link is not a set contract, more of a reference for you to go by. ~slave heather ~*it is better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not*~ 13 Jul 08, 3:34 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs Hmmm... I think it depends what you are looking for and why. My Master disliked that last for all the 'you are not my friend and you will kiss the feet that are treading you into the mud where you belong' stuff. If your dynamic is one of equality as humans, intimacy and closeness, along with the total inequality in the power and control fields, then you could do worse that look at Raven and Joshua's. http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/joshcontract.html We did and then rewrote to suit ourselves and our relationship. And I'm sure Raven will not mind as he's offered it before as long as you don't claim it as your own. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 13 Jul 08, 7:14 PM dorine_van_Frank NL, 4 yrs Hi everyone, interesting contracts...of course you can find many different ones on the internet. Frank, my Owner, never wanted us to have a contract. i can think of many reasons why you would or wouldn't have one... what are your reasons ? For Frank it has no real value, since it is not legally binding and such and (for him) it has nothing to do with our relationship, which is based on love. Besides, our relationship is absolute, so it could be a very short contract. Me signing it has no real meaning in his opinion, because if i do not sign, i'm his too...and if the relationship goes wrong, than it will go wrong....or it will change. A contract will make those things no different. i do not really know how to explain this. Are there other Owners who do not have a contract with their slaves? don't get me wrong: i judge nobody who has a contract. i'm just curious about your lives and motives... greetings, dorine 13 Jul 08, 7:40 PM sclavus_princess US, 3 yrs my Master and i do have a contract as W/we feel it is a good way to know what W/we both expect from eachother, if Y/you ask me vanilla relationships could benefit by more clearly dicussing expectations as to avoid some of the conflicts being in any relationship may pose. Yes, i realize it is not legally binding or such but, much W/we do in the lifestyle is more about the symbolism and what certain acts, such as signing a contract represent to U/us. Much like exchanging rings in a marriage W/we in BDSM have collars and contracts..i guess in my realationship the contract is something that is needed and inportant and for others it just isn't. W/we also looked at many examples of contracts on the internet and took what fit for U/us and left the rest..my Master also has reserved the right to add to it as He see's fit and i also have the right to discuss any part of it at anytime but ultimately the choice is His. it does really interest me to read what others have included, not included in there contracts as i am always so fascinated to hear others in the lifestyles take on certain issues. much respect, sclavus princess 13 Jul 08, 8:11 PM Oklahoma_Mike US, 3 yrs The biggest advantage (my opinion only, of course) of a contract is that it makes rights and duties absolutely clear and spells them out for all parties to see. This avoids surprises, and makes it very valuable for one specific type of structured relationship. A secondary advantage is that a contract is another form of power. Signing a contract is a sobering symbolic gesture that may help both parties keep in mind what she (or he, etc.) has committed to, and the signed contract is a reminder that may help in the future. Disadvantages are that a poorly-written contract may have effects neither party really intended. Unless one or both parties are very literal-oriented and behave as sticks-in-the-mud, this probably isn't a real big problem most times. For myself, I don't have one in my current relationship, and don't feel the need for one. I've used them in the past, and the relationship failed, and the contract didn't help! If both parties desire a situation of absolute ownership, my opinion is that if the slave fervently desires to give that sort of control, the control will be there whether the slave has signed the contract or not. If the slave's desire to give that sort of control isn't sincere, or wavers (possibly because the Master or relationship isn't what she expected, which means there wasn't enough groundlaying work done), then the fact that she signed a contract isn't likely to make things better. At most, it might keep a slave with a strong sense of duty/honor obeying the letter of the contract for awhile longer. Conceivably this might keep the relationship going awhile longer and allow things to be salvaged, but I haven't seen it happen that way. I think contracts are most useful in service relationships that are more limited in time or in the extent of service. Then they are invaluable for making both parties think about what is desired, and making the exact terms of the agreement (both duties and limits) clear to both. For total ownership situations, I don't think they are that useful, as I said above. Mike Edited 13 Jul 08, 8:12 PM by Oklahoma_Mike 13 Jul 08, 8:33 PM DarkSado 4 yrs Contracts are good for some. I don't care for them. I think Internal Enslavement would be ideal, and would negate any reason for a contract. DarkSado 13 Jul 08, 10:56 PM 621-375-058 3 yrs I cannot say this for sure, however, I THINK Master chose to write a contract with me for a number of reasons. The first is He is a very ceremonial person, perhaps thats not the correct word. He likes things to have meaning. During my collaring ceremony, it wasn't just that I walked in and signed a contract, put my collar on and that was it. He had candles and wine as a beautiful centerpiece with the contract (printed on elegant paper, not just plain copy paper) placed accordingly in front of the centerpiece. He likes things thought out fully, not something important on the spur of the moment and scribbled out on a McDonalds napkin LOL. Another reason is that I am new to everything, He is my first Master. He understands that I know only what he has taught me and what information I have been able to find online. I, personally, liked having the contract because I was able to see exactly what he expected of me. Yes, i'm sure things will change sometimes as all relationships do, however the contract stated his expectations not only of me as his slave but what I should expect from Him as my Master. I agree with many of the above posts, contract are good for some, not for all. There is nothing wrong with not having one as long as things are understood and agreed upon by all parties involved and contracts can be written out as well as verbal. ~*it is better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not*~ 22 Jun 10, 4:38 AM MasterRsfaggot US(OK), 2 yrs i have mixed feelings about slavery contracts. i signed one, and i don't see it as being all that practical in our day to day lives. 24 Jun 10, 2:32 AM concise US(CA), 2 yrs We had a contract because we were long distance, very new to our dynamic and he wanted me to have a tangible reminder of his ownership. 24 Jun 10, 2:59 AM Sprite US(OH), 2 yrs This girl does not have one in her relationship, but she has also given herself completely to her Master and He has told her what He expects of her so no written contract needed really. its neat to see the different reasons for having one and not. -Master's pet Always- Next page