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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Finances" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Finances (74) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. 19 Nov 09, 11:23 PM 333-528-841 CA, 3 yrs Although you make some valid points 713-502-942, I have to disagree with your statements on it not being practical and that very few have made plans in the event of something happening to the Dom/Master/Owner. Reading through from the beginning, there are several who have mentioned plans in place and if you search the topic on this site, you will probably find more topics devoted to planning in cases of sickness, death or the end of a relationship. The Op started this topic on giving up financial assets and financial control in I.E./TPE, not contingency plans and so it makes sense that not more have mentioned trusts or accounts. As far as wills etc, I think the majority here have their own personal financial estate planning in place that really is no one elses business. Besides, a forum full of who has what in place, in regards to estate planning, is not in my mind, interesting reading. Please keep in mind, that the majority of people on this site have been and are, in long term relationships, whatever the dynamic, and trust their lives to each other. They are not planning on going anywhere. Although it is true there are people out there who take advantage as well as those who may not think things through and are quick to give their all, I do not think anyone on this site ( well, I would hope not) is naive enough to hand over their property, money and possessions to someone they do not know and trust. For most, this is for life. Even saying that, there are many more on this site who do continue to hold accounts and property in their names but do not make any decisions in regards to them. It is not necessarily the legal concept of who holds the actual titles/accounts but on who actually has control of said assets. Some may have signing rights on joint accounts while some may not. Some may have accounts in their names and then may or may not have access to them.The details are not their decision. To society, they may own things, but if owned themselves, then everything they possess is then owned by another. You yourself have said that your Master has decided you both will have a joint account. Although you are on that account, it was his decision, giving him the financial control. All the best. 333-528-841 Life shouldn't be measured by the breaths you take; but by the moments that take your breath away Edited 20 Nov 09, 4:28 PM by 333-528-841 20 Nov 09, 1:04 AM 000-733-561 BE, 11 yrs Y! My Mistress/wife is in total control because - I signed a confession of debt to Her before our wedding - Our wedding contract states She owned a lot (in fact all I had included) at the time of wedding and She is owner of Her "inventory" from that time on. - I signed a paper giving all rights on fotos or recordings to Her - She has Her own account and as soon as money appears on my account it's transferred - She has foto's and videorecordings showing me in all kinds of situations so she can ruin my reputation if I would decode to separate. - I sign everything She wants(like I eat what She wants, I do what She wants...) -- Husband/slave from blmtrsne -- 29 Nov 09, 12:33 PM ClassAct2009 UK, 2 yrs As in some US states under English law if you are not married and your partner dies you do not automatically inherit a thing although if you are supported by someone you may be able to bring some kind of claim. If you own a property in joint names you have a claim to that but if it's in the name of the unmarried partner you do not. If you both pay the mortgage you are in a stronger position than if you pay for food and he pays the rent. If you're married on the other hand you each have much much stronger rights against the other on death and separation. Marriage is perhaps the best protection for the weaker financial party which of course might be dom as much as sub and makes people like I am reluctant to remarry given English law only very rarely has ever enforced a pre nup (unlike in the US). Although of course most of us hope to marry forever and live happily ever after and if you feel deeply submissive to someone there is even less of an inclination to be assertive in protecting your assets for your children rather than your partner. Thus it may well fall to the dom to raise the issues, set up wills, set up legal documents and pre nups to protect the assets of the sub as his duty of protection to her even though in a sense that is protection of her against ultimately him. [ Speaking as someone who had to pay a lot of money to a husband on divorce.....] 8 Dec 09, 7:25 AM 543-499-597 US, 5 yrs Y! The assertion that property, "by definition" cannot own property is historically inaccurate, nor does it follow logically. In Roman times slaves often saved money with which to buy their own freedom. Therefore, this is just one of many details to be worked out between the MASTER and slave, but nothing that is preordained by historical precedence.