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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Finances" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Finances (74) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. 22 Jan 09, 4:46 PM crystalredroze US(OH), 4 yrs Y! It does depend on the situation. Master is in control of the finances in our case. i do have a little money that comes in thats mine( but thats about to stop soon) even with that being the case, i try not to be frivolous with what i do have. All in all everything i have belongs to Master and if he wished to have it i would give it to him no question about that. i do try and do what i can with the little i get, for example i try and help out with groceries or if the car needs gas, the dogs grooming ect. i have 2 bank accounts, one is in my mane, mainly held open so that i can cash my checks and the other is in Masters name. He did however put me as the benificairy on that account just in case anything happens to Him and i need to get to it. i even know the pin number to the card for that account but i dont use it unless i talk it over with Him first. i cant think of a time he has told me no about getting into it because He knows i wont misspend it. 24 Jan 09, 2:05 AM thekittenpup 4 yrs i am horrible with money. Bad bad and horrible LOL i do have a checking account but i refuse check blanks as i am the type to say "well, it won't go through the bank for 2 or three days... soooo i can write a check now.... " Andrew is an accountant LOL so if we enter fully into a relationship like that i will gladly give over my finances! NOT SEEKING MEN ONLY SEEKING WOMEN http://onmyknees.sensualwriter.com/ "When you want it, it goes away too fast, the times you hate it, it always seems to last" ~ The Speed of Pain, Marilyn Manson 25 Jan 09, 12:52 AM Lord_Laraby US(NY), 6 yrs Y! 272-387-080 wrote: Finances Is IE or TPE truly possible without turning over one's assets to the Dom or Master? I admit I didn't read every reply. But I'll give the accepted view of IE. If a person is enslaved then they are a slave. If they are a slave then they are property. If they are property then they can own nothing. If you are earning money and you are property, whose money does it become? Obviously your owners. He may entrust it's use to you as he wills. But, technically you can not own it as you are property. If everyone that does not consider their enslaved object of affection property, then what is s/he? Call me LL 25 Jan 09, 11:03 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs If a slave maintains the power of financial independence then obviously they can't be in TPE as the power exchange wouldn't be 'total'. I think the real issue when it comes to finance has little to do with legality or formality - as Krista said it is irrelevant what paperwork says once internal enslavement is in place. I own my boy, so I own anything that is officially 'his'. As such I allow him to maintain his own bank account which a private income in his name goes into. From this fund many pre-arranged payments go out; mortgage, utility bills etc; and a set budget for food shopping and other regular purchases is also assigned. If he wants to make any purchase which is not covered by this pre-existing structure, he must ask permission unless it is under £20, but even these are only permitted within certain pre-arranged guidelines regarding the kinds of items he may buy and how often he may do so (interestingly I noticed two other UK posters also had this £20 rule). Household/ leisure/ family/ personal expenses not get paid from 'his' account are paid from mine, and I buy a lot of his personal items such as clothing as I tell him what to wear anyway. Finance is just another area of control and reinforces Ownership. I suspect that without financial control an s-type would not have the same sense of being property. 'If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right side up again'. Sojourner Truth. 26 Jan 09, 12:03 AM SixThreeFive SE, 5 yrs I do our finances. Master was the one that taught me how, and it's been my chore ever since. I pay our bills, put money away in the savings account and pull some money for food. What's over, I tell Master about, and he then tells me what I should do with it. Actually, I think our situation is rather odd, and it does make me wonder again about the TPE, as Tiara pointed out. The entire arrangement is based on that I move outside our apartment, and Master doesn't, he rarely leaves home at all. So it's nessecery for him to have me keep track of our budget, with rising and sinking prices, since he doesn't visit stores. To me, it's service. Smile, it confuses people. 28 Jan 09, 12:09 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs SixThreeFive wrote: I do our finances. Master was the one that taught me how, and it's been my chore ever since. I pay our bills, put money away in the savings account and pull some money for food. What's over, I tell Master about, and he then tells me what I should do with it. Actually, I think our situation is rather odd, and it does make me wonder again about the TPE, as Tiara pointed out. The entire arrangement is based on that I move outside our apartment, and Master doesn't, he rarely leaves home at all. So it's nessecery for him to have me keep track of our budget, with rising and sinking prices, since he doesn't visit stores. To me, it's service. As your master tells you how to spend the money beyond the necessities he is still exerting financial control though isn't he? Especially given your Master's issues with leaving the home, it sounds like you offer useful/ essential service here to me 'If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right side up again'. Sojourner Truth. 28 Jan 09, 12:37 PM SixThreeFive SE, 5 yrs He's definitely got the final say. Now, I've been put in charge to get new furniture, carpets, frying pan, stuff like that. I organize money so that he'll eventually be able to get the computer update he wants. I do decide a lot, sometimes without his input, but he can and does overrule me if there's something wrong. I also do base what I decide on things he's told me and things we absolutely need. The service is in him not having to worry too much. Smile, it confuses people. 28 Jan 09, 12:54 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs That sounds like great service to me 'If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right side up again'. Sojourner Truth. 7 Jun 09, 7:53 PM 272-387-080 US(PA), 5 yrs I am the original poster and totally accept that TPE is not truly possible if I keep control of my assets. But turning over one's assets is a tremendous risk. Risk 1: A master decides to get rid of me. Perhaps there he is more interested in another. I have no legal right to regain my assets. Risk 2: Over time the bond erodes. One or both of us loses motivation / interest. Same issue as No. 1 Risk 3: It is all a scam. The master has Bernie Madoff credibility. I fall for it. Before the ink dries, he kicks me out or, if good, makes me believe it is my decision to leave. In any of these situations, a probably others I can't come up with, I am out in the cold with nothing or with very little. Is there a legal work around and, if there is, does its existence again make TPE impossible. I understand it is all about mutual trust. But I also know that things change and as they do, so can the basis of the original trust. 9 Jun 09, 3:50 PM Lord_Laraby US(NY), 6 yrs Y! Hi 272, 272-387-080 wrote: Risk 1: A master decides to get rid of me. Perhaps there he is more interested in another. I have no legal right to regain my assets. If you want to view your status as more of a game and less of a reality then sure, keep you full sense of personal security through the reservation of your assets. Perhaps put it in a secret account and tell no one. But for my own sense of reality here it does make a difference to whether you really are a helpless slave at your Master's mercy or just faking it. Do you believe you will be more of a slave in your attitude and service by having your fallback assets? Honestly, the contrary seems more likely. I believe a girl who really wants to keep her Master interested will do those things that accomplish that more readily than one to whom it really doesn't matter. Think about your motivation. Will you be more likely or less likely to realize your true slavery to this man having your own back-up security plan in case he finds someone more interesting? Risk 2: Over time the bond erodes. One or both of us loses motivation / interest. Same issue as No. 1 You have no real control over his future choices in this scenario, but you always have control of your own side of the equation. If you think you might become unmotivated or disinterested, then don't even attempt to become internally ensaved. It just has little chance of success without total investment on your part. Also, I think you have some influence of his interest in your enslavement - not control, but influence. It's a slaves job and part and parcel of her service to keep her D/O/M interested in her and the relationship. You can't succeed if you don't try. Risk 3: It is all a scam. The master has Bernie Madoff credibility. I fall for it. Before the ink dries, he kicks me out or, if good, makes me believe it is my decision to leave. This is a good thing to know before you put yourself at their feet or accept his collar to be fitted on your neck. One of the things I always advise is know the future Master very very well in every possible setting and especially his character and integrity. What you describe can and does happen in real life, so avoid it. In any of these situations, a probably others I can't come up with, I am out in the cold with nothing or with very little. I won't try to fool you here, becoming a man's slave is a very scarey and serious condition and it will (not might but WILL) change your life. If fear and uncertainty plague you even now, perhaps this journey is best left as an erotic fantasy and something to wank to. But, let me assure you, the journey you describe is a path well trodden before you and those that have taken it have been changed and life took an interesting turn. Most are happy and fulfilled. Some have failed and will keep trying. However, 99.9% of the time they all survived and remain unharmed and likely wiser. So, you just have to do some serious self-analysis here: Are you capable of giving up all of your security and control over your own existance to another, or is the prospect too abhorrent to your psyche? It's not a sin to say you are just not ready or just can't do it. Hope this helps. LL (spelling edit) Edited 9 Jun 09, 3:52 PM by Lord_Laraby Next page