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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Can a slave be raped??" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Can a slave be raped?? (96) This topic is now full - if you want to reply, please make a new post on the board itself. This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 10 Jul 08, 12:53 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs Keeper wrote: Without reading all the replies, can a slave be raped? Legally, yes, at least certainly here in the UK Emotionally, yes. Morally, thats the tough one, my morality is not neccessarily the same as anyone elses. How can there be a legal answer when slavery itself is not legal? It makes a nonsense of the whole question. What is at issue is that given consensual non-consent is rape possible? As Hawklord pointed out, if you've given up all right to say no there is a paradox in saying that rape can take place. I contend that damage of all sorts is possible even in a TPE relationship so my rape argument follows the same lines. Just as there is a difference between flogging and abuse, there is a difference in consensual non-consensual taking of a slave and rape or other harm. It is a fine line I will grant you and it would NEVER stand up in court. Just as you cannot agree to assault and harm to yourself, you cannot agree to give up your rights legally. This is why SM cases don't need the help of the receiver to go to court! What we all live however is a different thing. anjuli ~~~ “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” - Anais Nin ~~~ 12 Jul 08, 5:27 PM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Obviously, once an individual has given themselves to their Owner, and become a slave (as opposed to a submissive), then within our definition they cannot be raped by either their Owner or others directed by him/her, as they no longer have consent to withold. This part is really pretty straightforward as a theory. The *real* issue as far as I am concerned is to do with responsibilty and human decency on the part of the Dominant, and the suitability of the slave to full slavery. Each individual has a different set of life experiences and as a result has a different psychological make up. What may be fine/ marvellous kinky fun/ tolerable/ horrible or whatever to one individual may be a destructive traumatic event that causes irrevocable damage to another. There is no hard and fast rule about how an event will emotionally manifest itself on any individual. So while a purist can quite correctly argue that a slave cannot be raped by their Owner, this point may on occasion be rather worthless in real terms. The responsibility of the Dominant to not irrevocably destroy their property's mental wellbeing is more important than the correctness of any theory of Ownership. Similarly there is a responsibility on the part of the submissive to really think through the full implications of slavery and not blithely call themselves a slave if they are not willing to fully accept its implications. A Dominant needs to choose wisely, and continually reassess their slave's mental and emotional wellbeing to ensure they will not cause destruction, and 'slave's' who want limits should define themselves as submissives (all be it loyal committed and wonderful submissives) to avoid any potential harm from dilemmas such as these. I simply think that on this issue the potential damage that could be caused by miscommunication is so strong, that whether the point that 'a slave cannot be raped by their Owner or anyone directed to fuck them by their Owner' is correct or not, it is not one that any Owner in doubt about how much serious lasting harm their actions should test. For the record, I do not believe that a slave could be raped by their Owner, according to My definitions of slave and Owner. What I do believe however is that many people may claim to have these definitions but not have thought them through fully, or may even be incapable of doing so, or may be using them exploitatively. Therefore I consider the issues of responsibilty, safety, and decency, to on this occasion be more important than the correctness of a theory. There are enough damaged people in the world and the world does not need anymore. *~*Mistress Tiara*~* 25 Jul 08, 10:43 AM irelands_call 3 yrs good on u skyler pet 25 Jul 08, 10:47 AM irelands_call 3 yrs as a survivor of sexual and physical violence in my life my heart is with takara and rape is rape NO PERSON has the right to rape another 25 Jul 08, 11:11 AM irelands_call 3 yrs well done nice one 27 Aug 08, 10:43 PM painsluttania UK, 3 yrs as a owned slave i can never be raped by my master as a slave you have to obey his commend from time to time my master lent me out to his friends for their needs but it is still not rape painsluttania