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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "." . (7) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Sat 12 Jan 08, 3:17 AM tangie 9 yrs . Learning is not childs play; there can be no growth without pain~ Aristotle Edited Fri 23 Oct 09, 8:54 PM by tangie 12 Jan 08, 5:13 AM morgan US(WA), 4 yrs Y! considering many airports have stronger devices now, i would seriously suggest removing the collar for the flight and putting it back on when you arrive where you will be staying. after all is it not best to have a Master/Owner who takes it off before you leave together on the trip or take the risk of having some airport security agent cutting it off? that is a real possibility. 12 Jan 08, 5:22 AM VadFarkas US(AZ), 5 yrs Have a great trip! My wife always removes hers and lays it on top of her items in the x-ray tray. Last time we flew, she set off the alarm and had to go to a little glass enclosed area to be wanded down. The wand kept going off below her waist. She told the security guard she was moving too fast and overshooting her bra that had a wire in it. This kept up for a while and another guard was called in. My wife started to take off her blouse when they finally said she can continue on her way. The funny thing is I forgot to remove my heavy bracelet and my Stainless necklace and went thru without a problem right in front of my wife. Another time I went thru with my wallet chains and other metal stuff and my father in law set off the alarm with his bow tie clip. Bottom line... who knows but I wouldn't travel without the key for many reasons. Good luck! Vad Farkas Ringsmith 12 Jan 08, 1:44 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs Hi Barbara I travelled to and back from Canada, and have since flown to Spain and back, wearing my steel eternity collar. The first time, I was soooo nervous. Mainly because Master had put my collar on and I wanted it to stay there until I returned to him. Yes, I set all the alarms off on each and every occasion but frankly all I got was a female officer to wand me down and ensure that the collar was the cause and not something else hidden each time. One or two inspected it very closely to see it wasn't hollow. I did have a key that Master gave me just in case (altho I never used it) and each time just said, 'Yes of course it comes off, but not easily.' or 'It is locked. I can find the key if you really want me to...' but implied it would take some time (lol) and they chose the wand rather than to push it. On the way to Spain someone said 'Does it come off.' and Master jumped in with 'No.' Again it was checked and I was passed thro without further question. Only one person has laughed and said, 'Mmmhmm but who put it there?' or 'Right, but who has the key?' something along those lines. I just smiled and pointed. No real problems anywhere I have travelled in terms of acceptance either. As others have said, it passes as a modern and rather sculptural necklace to the uninitiated really. I'd keep it on and have a key for emergencies but I'm thinking more of hospital or suchlike than airports. Best of luck and have a wonderful trip. anjuli ps. There is a wonderful story about Dee travelling in her chastity belt on the luvbight site that I will try to find a link for. She had to tell the woman with the wand and show her the top of it under her jeans and was let thro. How's that for chutzpah? I reckoned I could cope with my collar if she walked tall and grinning thro that! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *** Noli me tangere, for Caesar's I am. *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 12 Jan 08, 8:34 PM anjuli UK, 4 yrs tangie wrote: Thank you for the replies. I was concerned with several issues, one being that William is not traveling with me, another that I wasn't going to have the wrench to unlock the collar if it became necessary, and that while I won't be with W., I *will* be with a class of about 14 other people along with the professor. We are going to be guests of a family in the Venice area, and my concern was in drawing negitive attention onto the group. If we were staying in a hotel, i think it might have been different--more anonymous. I also *was* concerned with holding up the group in security, as we are going on a charter flight. I mentioned my concerns to W. and he has decided that when he comes up to see me before I leave, he will put the necklace on me rather than give me the wrench to unlock the collar myself if things go south. It's odd; I am 'out of the closet', but I guess not to the extent that it causes trouble or raises eyebrows for someone else (if I'm alone and William isn't there). This is something I think I'm going to have to come to terms with. Sounds like a good compromise. Your last para I understand entirely and know I'd be just the same! It's hard to stay in that space of acceptance when there's the additional pressure of others around you and that's a difficult mixture of others to deal with! lol Hope you have a wonderful trip. anjuli ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *** Noli me tangere, for Caesar's I am. *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 14 Jan 08, 2:09 AM 996-150-083 4 yrs Mistress puts my chastity belt and locking butt plug harness in our checked luggage and has me wear a butt plug with a tight fitting thong keeping me securely plugged while on the plane. Spanked Slave 996-150-083 17 Jan 08, 1:19 AM Greebomc 5 yrs From my experience in Italy (Venice) your collar would just pass as jewellery. Some of the necklaces I saw worn make most collars look positively tame. Italian jewellery tends to be very ...erm...I'll say aesthetically extravagant . Another hint for Venice, buy wine by the bottle, not the glass, they tend to only serve about 2oz at a time. Have a great trip G Blessed are the cracked, for they will let in the light Edited 17 Jan 08, 1:20 AM by Greebomc 17 Jan 08, 4:30 PM Hermey_the_Misfit US, 4 yrs Barbara, I don't know where you are flying into in Italy, but I doubt you'd have many problems getting through Italian customs or "security". I went through Milan and Pisa in 2004. "Security" was all but non-existent at that time. Rome however, was another story. Fuimicino Airport in Rome was a nightmare. We didn't even have to go through customs or security there (nor explain any "peculiar" jewelry), only claim lost luggage, but the "polizia" or police there have no personalities or sense of humor. American TSA, Transportation Security Administration (AKA Taking Scissors Away) officials may or may not take issue with your collar. I frequently travel for Uncle Sam and my steel toed boots and wallet badge set off the metal detectors almost every time. Even being a part of the "brotherhood in blue" doesn't get me past any scrutiny, nor should it. But I suppose as long as they can ascertain that you're not a terrorist threat, you should get through with minimal delay, depending upon where you go through the TSA checkpoint on your outbound flight. I have observed that the larger airports scrutinize far more than smaller satellite airports. As for your trip, I don't know what your charter group is like, but when I was in Italy in 2004, we Americans were not looked upon very favorably in general. Largely for good reason. It was very easy to spot the loud, obnoxious, demanding American tourists. My advice would be to learn the language (or at least one that is widely spoken throughout the region you're traveling in, dress like the locals (i.e. no tennis shoes, blue jeans, or T-shirts), be polite, respectful, and non-demanding), and learn about the area before you go (Lonely Planet and Frommers have good books available) I don't mean to presume anything, if you're planning on going with a charter class group, I'm sure you've probably already looked into that, but you can never be too safe, right? By the way, Florence is beautiful!!!