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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "A Question...Please Help!" 1 2 A Question...Please Help! (14) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. Mon 7 Jan 08, 3:24 PM slave2master US, 5 yrs A good friend of mine wanted me to post a question to the board, since she has no internet access. She is really struggling as to what she should do in regard to a certain situation. She has been involved with her Master for six months. It is not a live in relationship, but they live very close to each other so see one another frequently. (Due to family issues, she is not free to live with Him) Right before she came to be his slave, another woman became his slave. She started as long distance, but got to visit him weekly for a couple of days at a time. It was the Master's desire for the two to become friends so that the relationship could be poly. The two actually did become good friends, but there was also a great deal of jealousy on both sides. And although they became friends, they never actually had a 3-way sexual encounter of any kind with their Master...for He did not feel they were ready..due to the jealousy issues. My friend soon became aware that the other slave was trying to be manipulative...by making her think she was not as important in her Master's eyes...and by making her think Master had more than a slave relationship with her friend. She also discovered times when her friend tried to sabotage her in different ways...including misrepresenting the truth regarding their Master. She has also made it known that she wants to be the ONLY slave and she wants to be a 24/7 slave...and my friend came to realize that she would go to any lengths to achieve her goal. My friend decided to tell her Master about her concerns. To make a long story short, all hell broke loose. The friend got upset...trust is now broken...and the Master decided the two slaves needed to stop corresponding with one another until He makes a decision that they are ready to do so. This week the Master told my friend that the other slave was living with Him for 3 months...under a contract...as she is transitioning into the area. She is going to stay with him, pay a small rent, clean his house...and work until she can get enough money saved for her own place. At the end of three months, she will either move into her own place or stay with relatives. Master told my friend that one of the conditions of her moving in was that it would not interfere with his relationship with his other slave. And he told her to make no mistake...there would be no getting rid of one slave in favor of the other. He said that she accepted the condition. My friend knows better. She knows that deep down it is the other slave's plan to make sure she is history. My friend's question is this: Should she just trust her Master to deal with whatever comes up when it comes up (despite the fact he has a blind spot to the other slave's manipulations?) Or should she keep him abreast of things as they come up? My friend does not want to seem like an instigator in the eyes of her Master. At the same time, she does not want to be a fool either. Thank you for any advice you may offer. And I'm sorry this post is so long! 7 Jan 08, 6:15 PM deb0rah UK, 10 yrs I feel this situation comes back down to a basic. If he is the right master for her and is worth it, he will see through anything ... eventually. IF anything needs to be seen through, your friend is also hurting too and will react accordingly If it's games she needs to play the best game of all ... none. Be open, be pleasing and be the best slave she can, don't discuss the other girl and their relationship unless he wants to and never in a negative light. Don't bitch, don't stir, but if she needs to share any vulnerability and worries, do so openly and plainly without any dramatics or stropping. It's a little like a divorce and dealing with the kids in that if you bad mouth it comes back on you, if you are supportive and caring, they find out for themselves and thank you for your trust later. He clearly has feelings for her and wants her, yet he clearly wants your friend too, that's the part to concentrate on and work on not the former if she is owned. This is the hardest one to take yet for me the best and probably the most succesful long term. She cant begrudge him having a live in slave either as she can't do it for him. That's part of the deal I guess! Tis a time thing too, sit and wait patiently while doing the right thing. Debs xx "Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man." John Knox 9 Jan 08, 1:23 AM 424-902-765 US, 4 yrs He is already blind to what this other slave is doing. is He worth it to her to deal with all the bullshit this other slave will pull??? for me i do not think i could tolerate all of that. the other slave will constantly be trying to keep her out of the picture or in a negative light.. i do not think this would be the best for her training or more important her emotional well being. but that is just my opinion.. Master knows i have no desire to be in a poly home. i am to be the only slave and Master accepted that fact before He collared me.. only she can decide what is best for her... i hope whatever she decides that she is happy.. "When love cast me out, it was Cruelty that took pity on me" 9 Jan 08, 2:08 AM 357-275-165 US(MI), 4 yrs Y! I agree with Debs. one must trust their Master if a relationship is to work. Do not worry about the other sub. Be yourself, be good at what you do, be carring and not whinny. Do not bring up any issues unless asked. Be polite and possitive, helpful and all will prevail. your Master seems to be a straight forward guy as he already sees the jealousy and he keeping his word to the contract that was previously established. your freind needs to remember that she is there to please her Master and if she succeeds in that then all will be well. Edited 9 Jan 08, 2:09 AM by 357-275-165 9 Jan 08, 3:05 AM Sgiandubhs_ceilidh US, 5 yrs Y! i agree with being the "good" slave and not rocking the boat. Kind of simular situation: i did not tell Master that His previous slave was contacting me and telling me terrible things that He supposedly said about me. She is now living a lonely life without a Master and i am loved and serving a wonderful Master. Things come to light in their own time and it will happen. Tell your friend to hang in there and the Goddess will guide this in the right direction. Love without rules. ceilidh 9 Jan 08, 9:26 AM masterfiremaam US(WV), 5 yrs My mother's advice about relationships: Ask yourself two questions. 1) Would you miss them if they were gone? 2) Is being in the relationship healthy for you? If the answer to either is, "No," you need to consider getting out. Staying in hell because we know all the street names isn't a healthy way to live. What does her gut tell her to do? Most often, our gut is right. Master Fire "Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted *air guitar* 12 Jan 08, 1:08 AM slave2master US, 5 yrs Thank you everyone. Very good advice. I tend to agree with those of you who said for her just to continue being the good slave and not rocking the boat. Time has a way of working things out...... 13 Jan 08, 5:05 AM slave_luci 5 yrs slave2master wrote: My friend's question is this: Should she just trust her Master to deal with whatever comes up when it comes up (despite the fact he has a blind spot to the other slave's manipulations?) Or should she keep him abreast of things as they come up? My friend does not want to seem like an instigator in the eyes of her Master. At the same time, she does not want to be a fool either It would really concern me that he has this "blind spot to the other slave's manipulations." Your friend shouldn't have to continually "keep him abreast of things" as they happen. Now that he is fully aware of what has already occurred, I would think the wise thing for him to do would be to actively keep abreast of things himself and not wait for your friend to have to bring him word about the latest occurrence. It would be extremely difficult to be in your friend's shoes. She doesn't want to be a tattletale or seem like she is constantly instigating trouble. However, as you say, to try to remain blissfully ignorant and naive in the face of such blatant behavior by the other slave is most definitely foolish. It would be my hope that a competent, knowledgeable master - once made aware of one slave's machinations against another - would make it a top priority to be proactive in preventing further such behavior. He should be blunt about informing her that such activity will not be tolerated and if he sees any indication of it, it will be strictly handled. Honestly, I would feel a bit betrayed not only by the other slave but by my master if he didn't cut her behavior off at the pass. She shouldn't have to constantly "tell on" the other slave in order to draw attention to her plight. The master should take a firm stance and do it soon. JMHO.............luci "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ---Johann W. von Goethe "He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak." ---Michel de Montaigne 13 Jan 08, 10:55 PM SStar_s_peachy US(GA), 5 yrs Y! There are so many "sides" to this. First of all, the "good" slave is assuming Master is "blind" to the "bad" slave's actions. i would be willing to bet He is well aware of what is going on. Most of the time a Master will let a slave hang herself. Personally, however, i think His action of letting the "bad" slave live with Him, cleaning His home, cooking, etc. is relationship suicide. i don't care how much one trusts her Master, the long and the short is - He IS human. The "bad" slave gets Him alone, struts her stuff, rubs her body against Master, kneels before Him, nude, subserviant, He will more than likely react as a normal male. Master and i are 24/7 and have been for in excess of 7 years. We are monogamous mainly because the right girl just hasn't come along yet. However, Master makes no secret of the fact that in His opinion (and i'm sure there are some who will disagree with this - but it is HIS opinion) that no man is happy being monogamous. He said He believes that if a woman struts her stuff in front of a man and if she is attractive enough to turn Him on - He's gonna hit that thing. i used to really be hurt when Master said things like this but i have grown to realize He's being honest with me about His feelings. Instead of sneaking and looking at pictures on line or pretending not to see that hot young thing with the skin tight top and micro mini skirt, He is honest with me. i'd much rather He be like this than give me the image of Himself that i might want to see instead of the true Him. i would venture so far as to surmise that if He's willing to let this other slave live in His home, knowing how much it hurts the other "good" slave, He's already made up His mind which way He's going to go. Some might say He may just be testing the "good" slave to see if she trusts Him but why would He be willing to risk it? i trust Master with my whole heart but i believe if given the opportunity, He would "hit that thing" of another woman. Since He told me from the very beginning He didn't believe in marriage nor does He believe in monogogamy, i'd have no right to feel threatened or leave Him because He brought another here. Would i be happy about it? i'd like to tell You yes but the truth is - no i wouldn't. It would please me that Master is happy and that part of me would be satisfied but i don't know how having another female here 24/7 would eventually work out. i guess i'm waffling from one side of the fence to the other but that's where my head is right now. We've had another couple of subs visit to play and one of those turned out great but the other was a disaster so i guess i have to wait until the issue presents itself to see how i finally deal with it. Good luck in whatever your friend decides. There's no right or wrong answer here. This is life - her life as well as her Master's so i'll keep good thoughts that things work out for all concerned. My best - Southern Star's peachy 8 Feb 09, 12:09 AM Moebius_Master US(LA), 3 yrs Y! My relationship with moebius slave is scheduled to become poly at some point in the near future. She is bisexual and I enjoy watching women together. The new slave will be picked by moebius slave as my gift to her. She will having sex with my new slave as often as I do. She will help her sister slave grow in love and devotion to her Master. The two of them will build their love and devotion for me together into something greater than they could each achieve alone. I don't feel that having two separate relationships serves anyone. Where are you going to get the time to fully take and enjoy two women if you are trying to enjoy each as an individual. There simply is not enough time in a day to experience two complete women and all that they have to offer in a given day. Waste not, want not is an axiom for a reason. Separate relationships have never and will never work for me and they do not make sense. Time is too precious to waste loosing out on one or another aspect of one of your slaves. Having your slaves interact with each other and serve you by doing so is the only way having more than one slave can work. They become a team to serve you and that team is a single unit that you respond to. Everything that they share with each other is there in each of them as they give themselves to you. This triangle is powerful and fulfilling in ways that monogamy cannot provide. If you want to have more than one slave then they need to be as interactive with each other as they are with you so that you do not miss out on any part of either of them. That is true Mastery of them both because once again you have all of them not part of them by splitting time or any other behavior that limits your ownership or Mastery. I don't think you can have a healthy split relationship so I would suggest she educates her Master. If he cannot comprehend the lesson then she needs to do what is healthy and right for children. Never teach children that being in a bad relationship is better than no relationship. It will destroy their lives. Moebius Master True slavery is voluntary. Fear is the tool of the weak. The human spirit is indominatable. Breaking a spirit destroys it. Rule by fear creates a safe pocket of sanity you cannot touch. Domination through inspiration lets you take it all. Only the strong can achieve total domination. Edited 8 Feb 09, 12:12 AM by Moebius_Master 8 Feb 09, 1:30 AM moebius_slave US(LA), 3 yrs slave2master wrote: My friend does not want to seem like an instigator in the eyes of her Master. At the same time, she does not want to be a fool either. your friend may want to take a step back from the whole situation and look inside herself...she will need to decide whether she is 'being an instigator' or simply 'refusing to be a doormat' I've built these walls...not to keep people out...but to see who loves me enough to climb over them. Next page