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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "relocation" 1 2 3 4 5 relocation (42) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 8 Nov 08, 8:49 PM 662-935-655 5 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: Robert, What you described is not a slave... that would be a gold digger and you can find them anywhere. slaves serve purpose...and don't leave when the chips are down. i hope you have better luck in the future. p i agree - and i believe You, Sir, are well-rid of such like! i got collared to my late Master/Husband after 10 years of marriage when He was disabled, not working except very part time as a result, and impotent without any treatment options as His disability was heart/lung and He could not take the E.D. drugs nor was He "healthy enoug for sex" as the ads put it - but He could enjoy Oral pleasuring, although He only got a complete release in wet dreams i found from experience with an ex - second of 3 vanilla messes/marriages, pre-late Master - that a 'stud' can be replaced with a lovely piece of plastic with a motor in it and a battery so the kind of jerk my 2d ex vanilla mate was is not worth as much as an "impotent" but lovely Master like my late one. i am a student of comparative religion and i found a like circumstance in one religion whose commentary states that at times when those of this faith were persecuted, anyone who wanted to join was taken at face-value, as why but with sincerity would one want to join an oppressed people; however, in times when the folk of this faith were prosperous and flourishing, they were to be seriously question and tested "at least 3 times" before being accepted as converts. This person - and i'm using that word loosely that called herself your slave, well, to this one, it sounds like she couldn't even live up to the vows of "for better or worse" in a vanilla marriage, much less the commitment to be a slave and You are perhaps much better off finding out before any legal commitment was made? my friends granny used to put it this way - you've got to take the better with the bitter. Or as in the movie "Forest Grump" to paraphrase, life really IS like a box of chocalates, you don't always pick the one you wanted. God bless You Sir for not wringing her neck when you removed her collar. If i sound a bit incensed at this, let me just say that in a different way my bio-mom was this type of gold-digger to my Dad after they split up she bled him until he was so exhausted he nearly died when he fell asleep at the wheel and went off the road trying to keep up with her incessant demands for more and more cash. And she at least had the reason of trying to make sure her kid - me - had a decent life, not doing it only for herself. Before Master i had 3 ex-spouses and let me tell you that in order to make sure i didn't behave like her i went to an opposite extreme - also wrong - leaving only with the clothes on my back losing many treasured possesions, just to get rid of them, as all 3 were abusive and addicts/alcoholics. Master was my first truly sober mate - in AA 26 years, one day at a time successfully, And despite the hardships W/we shared, when He passed on He was the first man not to leave me destitute and take me for all i had - leaving me with Social Insecurity and V.A. benefits which this major-leagued disabled person is so grateful for, as well as an apartment/flat and our belongings, such as they were. i agree that said slave sounds more like a gold-digger. j/L Papa's owned always: still proudly wearing His Collar and Ring, rest in peace Beloved Master/Husband! "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" Janis Joplin 8 Nov 08, 10:52 PM rputnamjr US(OH), 7 yrs Y! Andrin, No loving a slave does not clash with Gorean beliefs. Gorean masters usually love their slaves as they would any of their other animals. The problem comes when they deeply love their slaves, thus a love slave. Gorean masters being free are only supposed to marry free women. Thus slaves are off limits for marriage. In order to marry a slave a gorean master would have to set her free. Thus she would become a Free Woman. If free then she has the right and ability to say yes or no to marriage as any Free Woman does. There are a couple of gorean sayings. First being only a fool buys a slave sight unseen. This is why slaves should be stripped prior to enslavement. And only a fool sets a slave free. After all slaves should be owned, they have great value. But we are in the real world and keeping a slave that does not desire to be in bondage to you is just too much of a headache, thus its better to set them free. Plus there are potential legal ramnifications otherwise. Goreans generally have one of two ways to deal with love slaves. First to get rid of them so that they can remain strong and not show weakness. Second is to keep the love slave in even harsher bondage than normal so as to make sure that they as the master do not show weakness in front of the love slave. Personally I never understood why or how a love slave could make one (a master) so weak. And why a love slave should be kept under strict bondage if kept. Now I do and I will never make that mistake again. Now as for sharis being a gold digger, that is a matter left for debate. She did support me for awile (longer than I expected) prior to leaving. Furthermore she does have a medical condition (Epilopsy...Grand Mal Seisures) that does require her to take medication to control it (Depokote 500mg ER twice a day). Prior to her quiting her job she did have a seizure while at work. Probably due to stress and such with me being out of work. Then her car broke down which caused her to loose her job due to too many absenses (quit or be fired situation). We got the car repaired in a day or two. But in loosing her job we were both unemployed. Our food supplies by my calculation were down to about two weeks supply. My cash reserves were down to about $80 in the bank without cashing in investments and that would not be much anyway. I'm not a rich person to say the least, loosing my job really hurt. Rent was good until the end of the month. Now I'm behind but since my best friend owns the place I'm renting he has some patience with me, given the circumstances. But even he has said...cannot help you forever. Normally I would not speak about these things, especially on an open forum, but sharis is worth defending in this case. Although she had yet to do without financial circumstances were not good to say the least. And then there was the loss of our unborn child (12 weeks along) and the emotional impact on both of us. More on Stacey's part since she questions whether or not she should have a child given her medical condition. And since this is her second miscarriage (first was when she was raped at 14...then this one with me) she has very low self-esteem when it comes to having a child of her own. And she wants a child so bad. Not going to touch the need issue issues. Furthermore, I had fallen into self pitty, depression, and such. Due mostly from looking for work and not finding something in my field. Or anything for that matter for three months. Thus from an objective point of view I failed her as her Master. The situation was not good and it was going downhill. The ship was sinking and quickly one could say. Now that she is gone, I found a job, but have no way to get home from it (public transportation doesn't run that late)...just my luck...since she took the only car that works...the one I bought her and put in her name. Wasn't thinking the relationship given that we were engaged was going to end. I just remember the saying "God only gives you the burdens that you can shoulder." Then I remember what a slave told me once, "If you want to make God laugh, just tell him your plans for the future." We go through trials and tribulations throughout life. How we handle the bad times says more about our character than how we handle the good times. Anybody can stick by you during the good times but those that truely care stick by you during the bad times also. Things though are looking up somewhat. I definately feel better and have more energy. And once I start work and have income coming in then I will feel like myself again. I will have regained my self respect, my honor, and everything else including my dominance. Maybe sharis doesn't deserve this protection from me, after all she is no longer my slave. But my honor demands it. Robert 8 Nov 08, 11:14 PM rputnamjr US(OH), 7 yrs Y! Since it did not work out between us I will answer the question as to what happened to sharis when she left me. She contacted a Master that she'd been talking to long before I knew her. Which infuriated me. Betrayal and such. And decided to go serve him instead. So behind my back they made an arrangement for him to fly into town at the end of the week and they would drive back to Texas together. She's not supposed to drive due to her recent seizure. She confided her plan with two of my friends while I was in another room. They told her to tell me immediately or they would. She didn't want to. So they volunteered her, only then did she speak up and tell me her plan. I basically due to the betrayal told her to leave. If she wanted to serve another master then let him take care of her and her problems immediately. Emotions running wild in me rather than thinking about her best interest at the time. So she left and played on the sympathies of an acquantence of ours that we barely knew. He got her a hotel room and anything she needed until her new master showed up. Then they drove to Texas as planned. Now because I do have my sources of keeping tabs on her I am concerned for her welfare. From what I have gathered, they live at separate addresses. She now has a Nebraska phone number but is still in Texas. And the new master has yet to say he has taken possession of her on one of his profiles (won't say where) yet he was looking for a live-in slave. Now I know she knows at least one master on here beyond me. And I'm considering asking him to check up on her and make sure she is happy and ok. But she does know my phone number if she needs help all she has to do is ask for it and I'll do what I can. Given all the dangers out there I do worry about her. Robert 9 Nov 08, 3:39 AM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs Wow. That quite a story, Robert. Just food for thought... you may want to consider reading up on IE. Seems the way you are going about this whole enslavement process is not quite working for you, based on your profile... and of course the lengthy posts you've made describing your troubles. i suspect your meeting these women on chat boards, and they think of M/s as a kinky bedroom game. In real life there is a whole lot more to it than that. Just so you know, there are plenty of real life, non-fictional people who wake up every day to the SAME Master. These RL slaves are some of the most devoted people you'll ever meet. i truly feel badly for you... If you haven't checked it out already, please, please, please go to: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/ It is not some fictional novel about a fictional land of Gor. It is real. Happy exploring. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. 9 Nov 08, 6:51 AM morgan US(WA), 4 yrs Y! Well awhile back last october i got to go spend around 6 months with someone who was my owner at that time. most of the time i would simply suggest make sure everyone is ready for that kind of move,weight it all out and make sure its what both parties want to do and can do. 10 Nov 08, 2:03 AM submissiveheart US(NY), 6 yrs rputnamjr wrote: Now because I do have my sources of keeping tabs on her I am concerned for her welfare. From what I have gathered, they live at separate addresses. She now has a Nebraska phone number but is still in Texas. And the new master has yet to say he has taken possession of her on one of his profiles (won't say where) yet he was looking for a live-in slave. Robert Nebraska, eh? Is her real name by any chance...Karina? 10 Nov 08, 2:12 AM submissiveheart US(NY), 6 yrs property_of_MacCain wrote: Wow. That quite a story, Robert. Just food for thought... you may want to consider reading up on IE. Seems the way you are going about this whole enslavement process is not quite working for you, based on your profile... and of course the lengthy posts you've made describing your troubles. i suspect your meeting these women on chat boards, and they think of M/s as a kinky bedroom game. In real life there is a whole lot more to it than that. Just so you know, there are plenty of real life, non-fictional people who wake up every day to the SAME Master. These RL slaves are some of the most devoted people you'll ever meet. i truly feel badly for you... If you haven't checked it out already, please, please, please go to: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/ It is not some fictional novel about a fictional land of Gor. It is real. Happy exploring. p Well, I know of other s-types that have different views from what I've learned from TSR and SD! That are very committed to giving 100% but just do it in ways that I wouldn't expect...from what I've learned here (and how I'd do it...if I were still doing it). I know of one who looks(ed) for a successful dominant to learn from and work with...who needs control. I told her about this forum ages ago and she rejected it as "fake slavery." One person thought she was a hustler...looking for someone to take care of her. She was young and intense and didn't listen well. I dunno, really. She was pretty chaotic though. Anyway maybe Robert's ex-slave was just young. Edited 10 Nov 08, 2:13 AM by submissiveheart 10 Nov 08, 11:34 AM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs submissiveheart wrote: [Well, I know of other s-types that have different views from what I've learned from TSR and SD! That are very committed to giving 100% but just do it in ways that I wouldn't expect... Anyway maybe Robert's ex-slave was just young. i hope i didn't give the impression that i thought subs are not capable of giving 100%... that wasn't the point i was trying to make at all. i apologize if that's how it came off. My point was more that the individuals, that our friend Robert has associated himself with, were not committed. Young or not... it doesn't exactly scream of loyalty or devotion to bail when the chips are down. i know plenty of young people who would have not only stayed by the side of their Master, but would have done everything in thier power to make thier Master's situation better. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. 10 Nov 08, 2:21 PM rputnamjr US(OH), 7 yrs Y! Nebraska, eh? Is her real name by any chance...Karina? [/quote] No its not. And based on some new information I received last night she may have left the new master she ran off to already. According to him (indirectly but directly from him), he has not owned, has owned or currently owns a slave in over a year. If this is truely the case then she could already be gone. Furthermore I have found some evidence through other sources that she might now be in Yorktown Heights, NY. I know on Second Life that sharis was "serving" a "mistress" on there that lives somewhere in New York. Thus she might have left to go serve her for whatever reason. Again this worries me for her safety. At least when she went to Texas, she had talked to the master for awile (years on the internet) prior to serving me. Still caused me to have concern for her safety which is why I have been trying to monitor her the best I can. But if she has now left Texas, then that adds to my concern. I could just call her and find out, but that would give away my sources. I have sent a message to the master in Texas asking if she is alright and such. So far no response but it was only sent last night. If he doesn't respond then I will have one of my friends call him since we have his phone number. Keeping my fingers crossed that she is ok and doing well. Robert 10 Nov 08, 2:55 PM property_of_MacCain 4 yrs rputnamjr wrote: Nebraska, eh? Is her real name by any chance...Karina? No its not. And based on some new information I received last night she may have left the new master she ran off to already. According to him (indirectly but directly from him), he has not owned, has owned or currently owns a slave in over a year. If this is truely the case then she could already be gone. Furthermore I have found some evidence through other sources that she might now be in Yorktown Heights, NY. I know on Second Life that sharis was "serving" a "mistress" on there that lives somewhere in New York. Thus she might have left to go serve her for whatever reason. Again this worries me for her safety. At least when she went to Texas, she had talked to the master for awile (years on the internet) prior to serving me. Still caused me to have concern for her safety which is why I have been trying to monitor her the best I can. But if she has now left Texas, then that adds to my concern. I could just call her and find out, but that would give away my sources. I have sent a message to the master in Texas asking if she is alright and such. So far no response but it was only sent last night. If he doesn't respond then I will have one of my friends call him since we have his phone number. Keeping my fingers crossed that she is ok and doing well. Robert Robert, Are you aware that you sound a tiny bit like a stalker? Just wondered. i know you think your intentions are pure, but if i bailed on someone, i wouldn't want them checking up on me. i'd think that was uber- creepy. She has obviously moved on, dude. Maybe it's time you did the same. On that note, can we return to the original subject now? Seems that we have ventured WAY off topic. p I breathe because He allows me to, indulging Him indulges me. Next page