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	TSR : Web boards : Internal Enslavement : "Benefits of Objectification" Benefits of Objectification (10) This post is on the Internal Enslavement web board. Wed 29 Aug 07, 3:20 PM slvgrl49 US(CA), 5 yrs Reading the profile of Sir's Puppy, I was intrigued by a line where she indicates that, for a slave, being objectified can be beneficial. I'm wondering what Masters and slaves think are the benefits of objectification. If there are benefits, do risks also exists? If so, what would they be. <<milk slave and service whore>> 29 Aug 07, 9:59 PM submissiveheart US(NY), 6 yrs Just wanted to boost this thread...because I'm curious too. Also thought that you might like (as well as others who are new here) this slightly older thread on the same topic but with a more cerebral bent: http://www.slaveregister.com/boards/submission/1... I also wanted to clarify that in my profile I stated: "The idea that objectification can be beneficial rather than detrimental intrigues me." Wanted to clarify because even for myself I'm not entirely sure how beneficial it is. But it feels good and I think it is human. But I do think the objectification that comes with M/s and ownership is different than other types. Also if your click on "search" under "web boards" to the left of this page, and then type in "objectification" there is some interesting stuff that comes up but it won't directly answer this question. Previously "submissiveheart" 30 Aug 07, 9:27 PM 662-935-655 5 yrs just a guess, but in the 1970's or so feminists complained about being treated like a sex object - whereas as a submissive i like that. i could be wrong, but this is what objectification makes me think of. The old lady (Grin) j/L Papa's own 30 Aug 07, 9:58 PM Ferret US, 4 yrs slavegirl459 wrote: Benefits of Objectification Reading the profile of Sir's Puppy, I was intrigued by a line where she indicates that, for a slave, being objectified can be beneficial. I'm wondering what Masters and slaves think are the benefits of objectification. If there are benefits, do risks also exists? If so, what would they be. I would think it could be beneficial because it would drill in that, under no uncertain circumstances, the slave is NOT a person. Not only is it not a person, it's not even an animal. How quickly would you throw out a person? How about a dog? Now how about an ottoman? See what I mean? 30 Aug 07, 10:59 PM Remoses US(PA), 6 yrs Please allow Me to weigh in on this topic. I sense that objectification serves to do two things. It makes the slave seem small, and so by comparison, makes the Master seem larger than life. If this is, indeed, the dynamic, then it is not so hard to find a beneficial aspect to objectification. If the desire to serve a Great and Powerful Master, implies that the slave is small and weak, then perhaps this objectification has some merit. If the slave constructs a self-image as being a “thing”, less than a person, then this may help in disassociating the humiliation that the slave receives from the human aspect of the people enacting the scenario. This can be useful if, for example, the slave has to exist in the “real world” and behave respectably, but later indulges in the behaviour that a “normal” human would not or “should not “ do. Separating the two may have a useful effect. As for simply treating a slave like a worthless “thing”, worthy of nothing but contempt or disregard, well, there seems to be a moral disconnect there, as well as a disconnect from reality. In antiquity, slaves could be treated with contempt and distain, as the supply was essentially endless and the obligation of an Owner to a slave was often never expressed. There were neither legal nor moral obligations that slave owners were bound by. Today, things are different. slaves enter into servitude voluntarily. That is a BIG difference. Not withstanding the language I've heard hear by Owners and property alike, it is unwise, I think, to be contemptuous or dismissive of slaves, in reality. I suppose it does happen. But that behaviour seems to Me to be abuse. These are not the actions of a responsible Owner dealing with His property. I would not treat a car nor a chair nor anything else I've hard won with neglect or distain. I would not do it with a slave either. But objectification has its place…if for no other reason than to engage in that particular fantasy scenario. Well, there you have it. I am Remoses. 31 Aug 07, 11:57 AM slavelofty 5 yrs It is always referred to as "it" which emphasises Mistress's view that it has no human rights. This enables Mistress to feel free to use it in any way Mistress chooses including loaning it out with it having no say in to whom it is loaned or for what purposes. 31 Aug 07, 3:37 PM Ferret US, 4 yrs BrutalAntipathy wrote: In hope that we are on the same wavelength here, objectification to me meaning reducing a person to an inanimate object, I can think of a benefit.. The mental aspect of it transcends the physical, instilling in the slave the feeling of being property that can be used and manipulated in a manner pleasing or useful to the owner. The symbolism of the act reinforces the concept of being property. I have found it useful especially early on as a tool with which to create the proper mindset for the slave. Early in my first M/s relationship, I was using my slave as a foot stool. The phone rang, and I chatted with a friend for several minutes with my feet still resting on my slaves back. He gave me directions to a house where several of our mutual friends were gathering for the evening. Grabbing a pen to write down directions, I found that I had no paper to scribble on, so I jotted down the directions on her buttock. Several weeks later when she was allowed to speak, she asked me if I remembered doing this, and told me that the simple, casual act of using her as a writing pad did more to make her feel enslaved than weeks of training had. Because of her subjective data I have ever since made a point to incorporate some objectification into training. I also feel that it serves to reinforce my own feelings of ownership. Plus, I just really enjoy doing it. While the act can be demeaning to the slave, I do not see it as implying that she is unintelligent. Conversely, I see it as an act of dominion over an intelligent person, reducing her to the role of inanimate object while still aware that she is a thinking, feeling being. Why are you so much better at saying what I'm trying to say? But seriously, that's exactly where I was going. It's not that I want her to BE an inanimate object, it's that I want to reduce an intelligent human being to the status of an inanimate object so that she feels that much more controlled and I feel that much more control. It's also not that the situation would be permanent, though there are some stories on BDSM Library...nevermind. :D Edited 31 Aug 07, 3:38 PM by Ferret 6 Sep 07, 12:06 AM dark_lotus 5 yrs BrutalAntipathy wrote: Several weeks later when she was allowed to speak, she asked me if I remembered doing this, and told me that the simple, casual act of using her as a writing pad did more to make her feel enslaved than weeks of training had. oh those very words ring so true...objectification is surreal in the emotion and reaction it can create within. Beautiful!!! A dreamer is one who can only find his way by the moonlight..his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world. 14 Sep 07, 5:56 AM slvgrl49 US(CA), 5 yrs Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. I'm still sorting it out. I feel good when I feel objectified and I don't know why. I'm not sure there is a real benefit to me, yet I know there is one to my Master. He used me as a backrest at the beach the other day. It went without saying that I was being objectified in front of everyone there, and it really touched me in that very deep and warm place. I suppose that is the benefit for me, being touched in that very deep and warm place. <<milk slave and service whore (the slut formerly known as green sea)>> 6 Oct 07, 9:40 AM 357-137-289 US, 6 yrs Y! as a young child, this slave got a good take at objectification, even though it did not have the words to describe it. the event was the death of the young slaves' parents, both of which occurred on the same day, back on July 22nd, 1959. this led the young slave into the Minnesota Probate Court System, to learn that a 'Judge' held the ability to decide where the young, parentless slave, was to reside. The action was called "getting custody of", and this one was that object that someone would soon 'care for'. there were many discussions as to how this slave could, would, or should be raised. almost no one actually consulted us, and when they did, the rejected anything this slave talked of. this slave remained a ward of the court, in one form or another, until age 25. it feels much the same now as a collared slave as it did as a child. it is hard to separate the regression of feelings that cause what happened so long ago, to feel the same as something happening almost 50 years later. objectification helps make that gap widen so that growth can take place. this slave would like to thank The Slave Register for giving it a S.L.R.N. to help it reobjectify itself. things got much better almost instantaneously upon receiving that number, and is indebted to you beyond belief for extending that needed relief. 357-137-289 slave@webbittown.net 6 Oct 07, 3:40 PM 240-169-649 US, 6 yrs Brutal Antipathy said, "The mental aspect of it transcends the physical, instilling in the slave the feeling of being property that can be used and manipulated in a manner pleasing or useful to the owner. The symbolism of the act reinforces the concept of being property." Which is exactly right on. As a slave, nothing brings home the realization that i am an owned object as much as the simple act in the shower of tending the nipple rings my Mistress had installed in me. She didn't ask me if i wanted them or express any concern whatsoever about the pain of the piercings or how i would deal with them or if they would cause me embarassment. She wanted me thus modified, and so i am. She simply delivered me to the piercer, told him what She wanted, selected the jewelry, approved the placement and observed the operation. She admonished me NEVER, EVER to remove them and warned me i would be punished if they were not properly cared for. i am a living, breathing, intelligent being and She treats me lovingly but i will always be a possession that She has, can, and will in future accessorize as She pleases. That is what i expected and wished for when i became Her slave.