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	TSR : Web boards : M/s D/s O&P : "Linguistic gestures?" 1 2 3 4 Linguistic gestures? (34) This post is on the M/s D/s O&P web board. 1 Sep 08, 10:52 AM Mistress_Tiara 5 yrs Catfooted wrote: I'd be more inclined, though, to make them use something more exotic and requiring work and research to pull off. Such as Elizabethan/Shakespearian or Middle English for a day. Or maybe rhyming couplets or haiku. That would, perforce, intrigue the ear and fall more trippingly from the tongue. It also makes 'em REALLY think before they speak! Catfooted Inspired! 'You taught me language, and my profit on't Is, I know how to curse' (though not at you Obviously Master/ Mistress, this slave Is not a total dumbass after all) *~*Mistress Tiara*~* Edited 1 Sep 08, 10:53 AM by Mistress_Tiara 1 Sep 08, 3:49 PM Andrin DE, 3 yrs To everybody If I write a contribution to a public discussion forum I do owe the readers my respect. And I can demonstrate my esteem for my 'audience' by using correct language with correct grammar. It simply makes the input easy to read, and hopefully easy to understand and easy to react. After all it is a discussion forum for plenty and not for the exclusive eyes of one master or slave. This is by no means criticism to those who deliberately want to or are ordered to handle it differently. It is just a personal preference, especially being not of English mother tongue (and sometimes having a hard time to decipher what's behind an on-line-discussion-acronym). Regards Sir Andrin 5 Sep 08, 1:07 AM 141-116-261 US(CA), 5 yrs To add a little different insight into the third person thing: My therapist keeps catching me slipping into second or third person while speaking to her. She makes me repeat things using the first person. The reason I go into second person is when I am trying to transfer my reasons, experiences, or feelings onto the listener. It is a lot like "You know when you feel...", "Well when you do this..." The third person is very similar "people always feel..." It always seems to be related to my trying to put my own experiences and beliefs onto someone else. In the case of second person it is a subconscious attempt to gain empathy with the person I am speaking to by assuming they have the same experiences I am drawing from. Psychologically this tendency has to do with my disassociation from my life. I use the non first person and therefore I dont take ownership of the feelings, the responses, the actions. I am somehow passing them off as someone elses or generalizing them as everyone. Justifying my feelings by putting everyone else in the same frame of mind. So a Master or Mistress may order a slave to speak in the third person to psychologically separate them from their being. It moves all referals to oneself from being subjective to being objective, at least gramatically, and that can send strong subconscious signals. All of a sudden the submissive is an object. It is not "me" but "her slave". It is no longer "my opinion" but "the opinion of this slave". As far as the capitalization topic goes, I use lowercase when in a chatroom as a visual recognition and signal of my submissiveness. I rarely if ever do the / thing except when addressing a room of mixed D/s individuals with something like "Ni ni and goodbye E/everyone." It is just my way of recognizing the separation and providing respect to the Doms or Dommes in the room. When taken to an extreme it drives me up the wall to. I hope that puts a slightly different light on it. dani 22 Sep 08, 8:22 PM SurrogateFamily 3 yrs 139-715-032 wrote: My master has explicitly forbidden me from doing any of these things, not that I was in the habit of it previously. I am expected to use correct spelling and grammar at all times, to the best of my ability. He's a writer, and it would drive him mad. After seeing the Butchmann's formal protocol and being appalled, my master enthusiastically added on a few more restrictions which I was equally disinclined to break. Beautifully wri-en! I work with grammar-nazzis (grammar perfectionists): they're so much fun to prod (easy targets for erroneous e-mail, those two 'z's would hurt them). My view has been that playing with capitalisation grew with the Internet BDSM culture along with emoticons, simply as a way of showing respect, status and awareness. In martial arts, there is often a lot of bowing used to show respect and form an hierarchy; I once accompanied a martial arts teacher to the unemployment office where he was asking about how to fill in a form. As he went to leave the girl smiled at him just as, completely by reflex, he put his hand in his fist and bowed to her! He was totally embarrassed and wished the floor would swallow him up (and I never let him forget it For those with online relationships the capitalisation is a nice way for each involved to demonstrate awareness and respect, but it probably has its risks! Edited to define "grammar nazi" for non-english readers Edited 22 Sep 08, 9:07 PM by SurrogateFamily